On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:37:41 Richard Owlett wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > >> El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: > >>> Martin Read wrote: > >>>> On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: > >>>>> Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you > >>>>> install > >>>>> with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then > >>>>> download any > >>>>> extra packages you want *after* the install? > >>>> > >>>> Only if you accept austere minimalism as axiomatically good. > >>> > >>> *YES* <grin> > >>> That 'yes' would not have been so bold except Debian defaults go too > >>> far in the other direction. E.G. I just installed Squeeze to one > >>> machine be cause I like some Gnome2 features that Gnome3 zapped and I'm > >>> not sure exist in MATE (am investigating). > >>> > >>> Applications->Internet lists 8 applications, none of which are of > >>> interest and does not list the only internet application I need > >>> (SeaMonkey). > >>> System->Administration lists 10 applications, only 1 of which I use > >>> more than once a month (Synaptic) and doesn't list one I use almost > >>> daily (Gparted). > >>> > >>> I'm working on learning debootstrap and multistrap to have things > >>> suitably minimal and powerful simultaneously. > >> > >> I have also noticed that Debian installs a lot of "extra" programs by > >> default. For example, when I installed LXDE using the latest (Debian 7) > >> LXDE CD and, I obtained LibreOffice, Iceweasel and Deluge (among many > >> others), none of which are part of LXDE, and of those, I only wanted > >> Icweasel installed since the beginning. > >> > >> If you want to control more precisely which packages get installed, you > >> can also install a text-only system and then add the additional packages > >> with the package manager. It won't give the same results and isn't as > >> flexible as Debootstrap or Multistrap, of course. > > > > It isn't Debian that installs all those packages. It's the DE. All > > anyone has to do to avoid them is not install a DE. You are given the > > option. > > > > Lisi > > But extraneous cruft is not intrinsic to using a DE.
Yes, it is. That is why it is called an environment. That is what makes it an environment. Without cruft it is effectively a window manager. Lisi
