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Luca Burgazzoli

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:23 PM Zoran Regvart <zo...@regvart.com> wrote:

> Hi Cameleers,
> I also think Gitter is a bit hard to follow, especially when there are
> a lot of messages flowing by (reminds me of IRC).
>
> I do wonder how Zulip would be set up, I don't see an OpenSource plan
> on zulipchat.com[1] and I don't think it's good practice for an open
> source community to lose messages. Gitter offers unlimited history[2].
>
>
It looks like that zulip cloud standard is free for open source projects
according to the FAQs https://zulipchat.com/plans or I'm reading it wrong ?


> We could try to ask INFRA to provide a Zulip service Camel/ASF wide.
>
> zoran
>
> [1] https://zulipchat.com/plans/
> [2] https://gitter.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202169471-Message-history
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:12 PM Luca Burgazzoli <lburgazz...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Over the past months I've been trying to be more active on gitter on the
> > various camel projects and  overall the user experience was quite
> terrible
> > for me (in particular when using the mobile client), as example:
> >
> > - threads are not shown properly on the iOS client thus messages are
> > messing up
> > - messages are extremely slow to load and sometime the message you sent
> > take quite long to be visible even on your end so you don't actually know
> > what it is happening
> > - messages keep being marked as unread even if you did read them
> > - sometimes you need to close/reopen the thread sidebar to see new
> messages
> > for a given thread
> >
> > I don't know if it is only me but because of my frustration with the tool
> > I'd like to know if anyone is interested in evaluating some alternatives
> > (please note that we DON'T necessarily need to switch to something
> > different).
> >
> > I'd personally would like to suggest to try out Zulip (
> > https://zulipchat.com/) as it allow us to have an independent
> organization (
> > camel.zulipchat.com) and to login with github/gitter/google so you can
> > easily join without having to fill gazillion of details but I know it's
> > streams and topic way of organizing conversations may not be optimal for
> > everyone.
> >
> > If anyone has suggestions, let discuss here.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Luca Burgazzoli
>
>
>
> --
> Zoran Regvart
>

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