Maybe it would be great to have a test period of zulip.

I never used it, so, I can’t say if it’s good or not.

So, maybe experimenting a bit to have feedback would be great.

Regards
JB

> Le 21 août 2020 à 10:07, Luca Burgazzoli <lburgazz...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> ---
> Luca Burgazzoli
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:23 PM Zoran Regvart <zo...@regvart.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Cameleers,
>> I also think Gitter is a bit hard to follow, especially when there are
>> a lot of messages flowing by (reminds me of IRC).
>> 
>> I do wonder how Zulip would be set up, I don't see an OpenSource plan
>> on zulipchat.com[1] and I don't think it's good practice for an open
>> source community to lose messages. Gitter offers unlimited history[2].
>> 
>> 
> It looks like that zulip cloud standard is free for open source projects
> according to the FAQs https://zulipchat.com/plans or I'm reading it wrong ?
> 
> 
>> We could try to ask INFRA to provide a Zulip service Camel/ASF wide.
>> 
>> zoran
>> 
>> [1] https://zulipchat.com/plans/
>> [2] https://gitter.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202169471-Message-history
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:12 PM Luca Burgazzoli <lburgazz...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Over the past months I've been trying to be more active on gitter on the
>>> various camel projects and  overall the user experience was quite
>> terrible
>>> for me (in particular when using the mobile client), as example:
>>> 
>>> - threads are not shown properly on the iOS client thus messages are
>>> messing up
>>> - messages are extremely slow to load and sometime the message you sent
>>> take quite long to be visible even on your end so you don't actually know
>>> what it is happening
>>> - messages keep being marked as unread even if you did read them
>>> - sometimes you need to close/reopen the thread sidebar to see new
>> messages
>>> for a given thread
>>> 
>>> I don't know if it is only me but because of my frustration with the tool
>>> I'd like to know if anyone is interested in evaluating some alternatives
>>> (please note that we DON'T necessarily need to switch to something
>>> different).
>>> 
>>> I'd personally would like to suggest to try out Zulip (
>>> https://zulipchat.com/) as it allow us to have an independent
>> organization (
>>> camel.zulipchat.com) and to login with github/gitter/google so you can
>>> easily join without having to fill gazillion of details but I know it's
>>> streams and topic way of organizing conversations may not be optimal for
>>> everyone.
>>> 
>>> If anyone has suggestions, let discuss here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Luca Burgazzoli
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Zoran Regvart
>> 

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