+1 here too. On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote: > This sounds more like consensus! > I too am +1 on changing the typeface. > > Cheers, > Jesse > >> On Oct 8, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> +1 on the typeface - I think it does send the “modern-ness” message. >> >> >> >> >>> On 10/8/15, 10:39 AM, "Carlos Santana" <csantan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> + 1 on the typeface >>> leave the logo as it is today (3d, gray, etc..) >>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:26 AM Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 >>>>> On Oct 7, 2015 9:15 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b...@brian.io> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well said, and ya updated typeface looks slick. 👍 >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really >>>> stands >>>>>> out and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I know >>>>>> there's a lot of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that >>>> reason I >>>>>> wouldn't dream of losing our beloved robot. However, the typography is >>>> a >>>>>> different story. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your >>>>>> perspective. From talking with many of you and other developers at >>>>>> conferences and events over the past year, I've heard a repeating theme >>>>>> that Cordova has a public-perception problem. A typography update won't >>>>>> change that perception by itself, but it will demonstrate that Cordova >>>>>> isn't staying still... that the project is evolving, growing and >>>>> improving. >>>>>> >>>>>> </mytwocents> >>>>>> rjs >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead >>>>>> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova >>>>>> rsa...@microsoft.com >>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:to...@devgeeks.org] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM >>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others >>>>> thought" >>>>>> category on this one. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no >>>> opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we >>>>>> don't need it. >>>>>>> I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <bra...@microsoft.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry >>>>>> (his email is included below). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections were >>>>>> raised. This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown >>>>> in >>>>>> picture A below. Also, we may replace the background image with the >>>>> simple >>>>>> gradient as shown in picture B below. Please let me know if there are >>>>> any >>>>>> concerns replacing this background image. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brad Gashler >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A) New logo only >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> B) New logo and new gradient background >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:b...@ionic.io] >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM >>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the >>>>>>>> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's >>>> still >>>>>> very much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of >>>>> confidence, >>>>>> love it! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I >>>>>>>> put together a version that I thought might support the evolution of >>>>>>>> Cordova into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on >>>> this >>>>>>>> early logo update mockup: regular >>>>>>>> < >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=r7JctK6wY1QhZ2GZNlumefajI4vAGiseq9LrehDxEPQ%3d >>>> %2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png >>>>>>>> &data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com >>>> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d >>>> 409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=oKVaCThqWbhTgak3efA >>>>>>>> aM%2f3f1d1wGyqazXPdboZjsAk%3d> >>>>>>>> / flat >>>>>>>> < >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=r7JctK6wY1QhZ2GZNlumefajI4vAGiseq9LrehDxEPQ%3d >>>> %2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.p >>>>>>>> ng&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com >>>> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c5 >>>> 1d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vyJ80acz9%2bDPk4Y >>>>>>>> ZuidiCPknjl%2fwOCKN7KMyxem5jJg%3d> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the >>>>>> little robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The >>>>>> existing typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, >>>> but >>>>>> can sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My >>>> suggestion >>>>> is >>>>>> simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this >>>>> case, >>>>>> Brandon Text < >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d >>>>>>> ). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão < >>>>>> frederico.gal...@pontoget.com.br> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looks great indeed, nice job! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One thing I noticed is that >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fpro >>>>>>>>> je >>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=cts.apache.org&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=lVvO3PkmcJVdQB0dgvNo5cbNePQbnHaDypcxs6A4RWI%3d >>>> %2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40micr >>>>>>>>> os >>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=oft.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=77v5pCW0ra6Nb%2fuNbIcqQq41RU462BlgTtfHQYaFOho%3d >>>> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7 >>>>>>>>> cd 011db47%7c1&sdata=ZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d >>>>>>>>> seems very outdated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This looks great. >>>>>>>>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page? >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcord >>>>>>>>> ov >>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=a.apache.org&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=rLJ9p20Bvow5ZrbWSINMTOtrvxMn1TYxdGAso%2f5Udhg%3d >>>> %2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2f >>>>>>>>> sp >>>>>>>>> ec.html&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com >>>> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de064 >>>>>>>>> 08 >>>> d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=Ng%2fQbCHank >>>>>>>>> Wf qNC%2fx9Xsaj1OxfSkoMhaH97WmznRfeI%3d >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <anis.ka...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great! >>>>>>>>>>>> The community will love this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva < >>>>>>>>> ryanjsa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> TLDR >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign >>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg >>>>>>>>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b >>>>>>>>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf >>>>>>>>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile >>>>>>>>>>>>> developers. From these conversations, we identified six top >>>>>>>>>>>>> level >>>>>>>>>>>>> goals: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant to >>>>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some rock >>>>>>>>>>>> star-quality apps >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of tools >>>>>>>>>>>>> and businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova by adding >>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts (e.g. >>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility >>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e. >>>>>>>>>>>>> branding and content parity) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- The long read ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle >>>>>>>>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed a >>>>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>> series >>>>>>>>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three months, >>>>>>>>> I’ve >>>>>>>>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has >>>>>>>>> collectively >>>>>>>>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to share a >>>>>>>>>>>>> summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the >>>>>>>>> meantime, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one >>>> interview. >>>>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>>>>>> asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one Cordova >>>> developer >>>>>>>>>>>>> responded: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> “Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove that >>>>>>>>> it’s >>>>>>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it >>>> over-and-over >>>>>>>>>>>>> again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the same conversation >>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.” -- >>>>>>>>> Murali, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova Developer >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s front-door. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for the last 5+ years, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address some pain points >>>>> in >>>>>> the community. >>>>>>>>> To >>>>>>>>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few examples of >>>>>>>>>>>>> it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for examples of good >>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So, we >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long as >>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> appears >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets too >>>>>>>>>>>>> long (and it will), then we’ll randomize display. The same is >>>>>>>>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that build on top of >>>>>> Cordova. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> “There are so many layers to cross-platform development, it’s >>>>>>>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It’s even harder to know if >>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova Developer >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won’t address this problem. We >>>>>>>>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate how >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the larger >>>>>> ecosystem (e.g. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding a little >>>>>>>>>>>>> more “hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers achieve >>>>>>>>>>>>> success faster. For example, we provide simple instructions for >>>>>>>>>>>>> “Getting Started” on the home page. And, on the Plugins page, >>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a quick explanation of plugins’ role in Cordova >>>>>> development. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s not clear where I can go for support.” -- Geoff, Cordova >>>>>>>>>>> Developer >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay… none of us want to provide customer support for the >>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>> community, but I want to make it easy for people to find the >>>>>>>>>>>>> community. To that end, our goal was to integrate prominent >>>>>>>>> pointers >>>>>>>>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates – e.g. Slack, >>>>>>>>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is… well, for people with more >>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like the right time for a >>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer need and >>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>> risk in making the change. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site >>>>>>>>> launched >>>>>>>>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it will be >>>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please >>>>>>>>>>>>> file them here: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f >>>>>>>>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d >>>>>>>>>>>>> e06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata= >>>>>>>>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg >>>>>>>>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b >>>>>>>>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf >>>>>>>>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan J. 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