+1 On Oct 7, 2015 9:15 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well said, and ya updated typeface looks slick. 👍 > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM Ryan J. Salva <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really stands > > out and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I know > > there's a lot of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that reason I > > wouldn't dream of losing our beloved robot. However, the typography is a > > different story. > > > > Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your > > perspective. From talking with many of you and other developers at > > conferences and events over the past year, I've heard a repeating theme > > that Cordova has a public-perception problem. A typography update won't > > change that perception by itself, but it will demonstrate that Cordova > > isn't staying still... that the project is evolving, growing and > improving. > > > > </mytwocents> > > rjs > > > > Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead > > Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova > > [email protected] > > 206 612 5079 mobile > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign > > > > Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others > thought" > > category on this one. > > > > I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no opinion. > > > > > On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we > > don't need it. > > > I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it. > > > > > >> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Everyone, > > >> > > >> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry > > (his email is included below). > > >> > > >> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections were > > raised. This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown > in > > picture A below. Also, we may replace the background image with the > simple > > gradient as shown in picture B below. Please let me know if there are > any > > concerns replacing this background image. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Brad Gashler > > >> > > >> > > >> A) New logo only > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> B) New logo and new gradient background > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign > > >> > > >> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the > > >> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's still > > very much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of > confidence, > > love it! > > >> > > >> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I > > >> put together a version that I thought might support the evolution of > > >> Cordova into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on this > > >> early logo update mockup: regular > > >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni > > >> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png > > >> &data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d > > >> 409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=oKVaCThqWbhTgak3efA > > >> aM%2f3f1d1wGyqazXPdboZjsAk%3d> > > >> / flat > > >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni > > >> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.p > > >> ng&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c5 > > >> 1d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vyJ80acz9%2bDPk4Y > > >> ZuidiCPknjl%2fwOCKN7KMyxem5jJg%3d> > > >> > > >> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the > > little robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The > > existing typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, but > > can sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My suggestion > is > > simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this > case, > > Brandon Text < > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d > > >). > > >> > > >> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this! > > >> > > >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Looks great indeed, nice job! > > >>> > > >>> One thing I noticed is that > > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fpro > > >>> je > > >>> cts.apache.org%2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40micr > > >>> os > > >>> oft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7 > > >>> cd 011db47%7c1&sdata=ZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d > > >>> seems very outdated. > > >>> > > >>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <[email protected]>: > > >>> > > >>>> This looks great. > > >>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page? > > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcord > > >>> ov > > >>> a.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2f > > >>> sp > > >>> ec.html&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de064 > > >>> 08 > > >>> d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=Ng%2fQbCHank > > >>> Wf qNC%2fx9Xsaj1OxfSkoMhaH97WmznRfeI%3d > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care > > >>>>> of > > >>> this. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great! > > >>>>>> The community will love this. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva < > > >>> [email protected]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> TLDR > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign at > > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% > > >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg > > >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b > > >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf > > >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile > > >>>>>>> developers. From these conversations, we identified six top > > >>>>>>> level > > >>>>>>> goals: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant to > > >>> developers > > >>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some rock > > >>>>>> star-quality apps > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of tools > > >>>>>>> and businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova by adding > > >>> quick > > >>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts (e.g. > > >>>>>>> plugins) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility of > > >>>>>>> public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e. > > >>>>>>> branding and content parity) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ---- The long read ---- > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle > > >>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed a > > >>>>>>> long > > >>>> series > > >>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three months, > > >>> I’ve > > >>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has > > >>> collectively > > >>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to share a > > >>>>>>> summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the > > >>> meantime, I > > >>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one interview. > > >>>> When > > >>>>>>> asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one Cordova developer > > >>>>>>> responded: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> “Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove that > > >>> it’s > > >>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it over-and-over > > >>>>>>> again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the same conversation > > >>> every > > >>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.” -- > > >>> Murali, > > >>>>>>> Cordova Developer > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of the > > >>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s front-door. > > >>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for the last 5+ years, > > >>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address some pain points > in > > the community. > > >>> To > > >>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception problem. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few examples of > > >>>>>>> it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for examples of good > > >>>> development > > >>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So, we > > >>>>>>> thought > > >>> it > > >>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on the > > >>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long as it > > >>>>>>> appears > > >>>> in > > >>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets too > > >>>>>>> long (and it will), then we’ll randomize display. The same is > > >>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that build on top of > > Cordova. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> “There are so many layers to cross-platform development, it’s > > >>>>>>> hard > > >>> to > > >>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It’s even harder to know if > > >>>>>>> you’re missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova Developer > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won’t address this problem. We > > >>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate how > > >>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the larger > > ecosystem (e.g. > > >>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding a little > > >>>>>>> more “hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers achieve > > >>>>>>> success faster. For example, we provide simple instructions for > > >>>>>>> “Getting Started” on the home page. And, on the Plugins page, we > > >>>>>>> provide a quick explanation of plugins’ role in Cordova > > development. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> “It’s not clear where I can go for support.” -- Geoff, Cordova > > >>>>> Developer > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Okay… none of us want to provide customer support for the whole > > >>>>>>> community, but I want to make it easy for people to find the > > >>>>>>> community. To that end, our goal was to integrate prominent > > >>> pointers > > >>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates – e.g. Slack, > > >>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is… well, for people with more > > >>>>>>> time > > >>> on > > >>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like the right time for a > > >>> change > > >>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer need and > > >>>> little > > >>>>>>> risk in making the change. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site > > >>> launched > > >>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it will be > > >>> easy > > >>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please > > >>>>>>> file them here: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f > > >>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205 > > >>>>>>> 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d > > >>>>>>> e06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata= > > >>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% > > >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg > > >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b > > >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf > > >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks! > > >>>>>>> Ryan J. 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