Well said, and ya updated typeface looks slick. đź‘Ť On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really stands > out and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I know > there's a lot of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that reason I > wouldn't dream of losing our beloved robot. However, the typography is a > different story. > > Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your > perspective. From talking with many of you and other developers at > conferences and events over the past year, I've heard a repeating theme > that Cordova has a public-perception problem. A typography update won't > change that perception by itself, but it will demonstrate that Cordova > isn't staying still... that the project is evolving, growing and improving. > > </mytwocents> > rjs > > Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead > Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova > rsa...@microsoft.com > 206 612 5079 mobile > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:to...@devgeeks.org] > Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign > > Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others thought" > category on this one. > > I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no opinion. > > > On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we > don't need it. > > I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it. > > > >> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <bra...@microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry > (his email is included below). > >> > >> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections were > raised. This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown in > picture A below. Also, we may replace the background image with the simple > gradient as shown in picture B below. Please let me know if there are any > concerns replacing this background image. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Brad Gashler > >> > >> > >> A) New logo only > >> > >> > >> > >> B) New logo and new gradient background > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:b...@ionic.io] > >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign > >> > >> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the > >> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's still > very much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of confidence, > love it! > >> > >> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I > >> put together a version that I thought might support the evolution of > >> Cordova into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on this > >> early logo update mockup: regular > >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni > >> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png > >> &data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d > >> 409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=oKVaCThqWbhTgak3efA > >> aM%2f3f1d1wGyqazXPdboZjsAk%3d> > >> / flat > >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni > >> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.p > >> ng&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c5 > >> 1d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vyJ80acz9%2bDPk4Y > >> ZuidiCPknjl%2fwOCKN7KMyxem5jJg%3d> > >> > >> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the > little robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The > existing typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, but > can sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My suggestion is > simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this case, > Brandon Text < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d > >). > >> > >> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this! > >> > >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão < > frederico.gal...@pontoget.com.br> wrote: > >>> > >>> Looks great indeed, nice job! > >>> > >>> One thing I noticed is that > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fpro > >>> je > >>> cts.apache.org%2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40micr > >>> os > >>> oft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7 > >>> cd 011db47%7c1&sdata=ZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d > >>> seems very outdated. > >>> > >>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>: > >>> > >>>> This looks great. > >>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page? > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcord > >>> ov > >>> a.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2f > >>> sp > >>> ec.html&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de064 > >>> 08 > >>> d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=Ng%2fQbCHank > >>> Wf qNC%2fx9Xsaj1OxfSkoMhaH97WmznRfeI%3d > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <anis.ka...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care > >>>>> of > >>> this. > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great! > >>>>>> The community will love this. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva < > >>> ryanjsa...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> TLDR > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign at > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% > >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg > >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b > >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf > >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile > >>>>>>> developers. From these conversations, we identified six top > >>>>>>> level > >>>>>>> goals: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant to > >>> developers > >>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some rock > >>>>>> star-quality apps > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of tools > >>>>>>> and businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova by adding > >>> quick > >>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts (e.g. > >>>>>>> plugins) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility of > >>>>>>> public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e. > >>>>>>> branding and content parity) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ---- The long read ---- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle > >>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed a > >>>>>>> long > >>>> series > >>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three months, > >>> I’ve > >>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has > >>> collectively > >>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to share a > >>>>>>> summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the > >>> meantime, I > >>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one interview. > >>>> When > >>>>>>> asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one Cordova developer > >>>>>>> responded: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> “Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove that > >>> it’s > >>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it over-and-over > >>>>>>> again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the same conversation > >>> every > >>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.” -- > >>> Murali, > >>>>>>> Cordova Developer > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of the > >>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s front-door. > >>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for the last 5+ years, > >>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address some pain points in > the community. > >>> To > >>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception problem. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few examples of > >>>>>>> it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for examples of good > >>>> development > >>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So, we > >>>>>>> thought > >>> it > >>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on the > >>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long as it > >>>>>>> appears > >>>> in > >>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets too > >>>>>>> long (and it will), then we’ll randomize display. The same is > >>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that build on top of > Cordova. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> “There are so many layers to cross-platform development, it’s > >>>>>>> hard > >>> to > >>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It’s even harder to know if > >>>>>>> you’re missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova Developer > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won’t address this problem. We > >>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate how > >>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the larger > ecosystem (e.g. > >>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding a little > >>>>>>> more “hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers achieve > >>>>>>> success faster. For example, we provide simple instructions for > >>>>>>> “Getting Started” on the home page. And, on the Plugins page, we > >>>>>>> provide a quick explanation of plugins’ role in Cordova > development. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> “It’s not clear where I can go for support.” -- Geoff, Cordova > >>>>> Developer > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Okay… none of us want to provide customer support for the whole > >>>>>>> community, but I want to make it easy for people to find the > >>>>>>> community. To that end, our goal was to integrate prominent > >>> pointers > >>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates – e.g. Slack, > >>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is… well, for people with more > >>>>>>> time > >>> on > >>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like the right time for a > >>> change > >>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer need and > >>>> little > >>>>>>> risk in making the change. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site > >>> launched > >>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it will be > >>> easy > >>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please > >>>>>>> file them here: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f > >>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205 > >>>>>>> 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d > >>>>>>> e06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata= > >>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% > >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg > >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b > >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf > >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks! > >>>>>>> Ryan J. 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