+1 on the typeface - I think it does send the “modern-ness” message.
On 10/8/15, 10:39 AM, "Carlos Santana" <[email protected]> wrote: >+ 1 on the typeface >leave the logo as it is today (3d, gray, etc..) > >On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:26 AM Steven Gill <[email protected]> wrote: > >> +1 >> On Oct 7, 2015 9:15 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Well said, and ya updated typeface looks slick. 👍 >> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM Ryan J. Salva <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really >> stands >> > > out and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I know >> > > there's a lot of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that >> reason I >> > > wouldn't dream of losing our beloved robot. However, the typography is >> a >> > > different story. >> > > >> > > Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your >> > > perspective. From talking with many of you and other developers at >> > > conferences and events over the past year, I've heard a repeating theme >> > > that Cordova has a public-perception problem. A typography update won't >> > > change that perception by itself, but it will demonstrate that Cordova >> > > isn't staying still... that the project is evolving, growing and >> > improving. >> > > >> > > </mytwocents> >> > > rjs >> > > >> > > Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead >> > > Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova >> > > [email protected] >> > > 206 612 5079 mobile >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:[email protected]] >> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign >> > > >> > > Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others >> > thought" >> > > category on this one. >> > > >> > > I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no >> opinion. >> > > >> > > > On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we >> > > don't need it. >> > > > I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it. >> > > > >> > > >> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> Hi Everyone, >> > > >> >> > > >> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry >> > > (his email is included below). >> > > >> >> > > >> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections were >> > > raised. This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown >> > in >> > > picture A below. Also, we may replace the background image with the >> > simple >> > > gradient as shown in picture B below. Please let me know if there are >> > any >> > > concerns replacing this background image. >> > > >> >> > > >> Thanks, >> > > >> >> > > >> Brad Gashler >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> A) New logo only >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> B) New logo and new gradient background >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> -----Original Message----- >> > > >> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:[email protected]] >> > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM >> > > >> To: [email protected] >> > > >> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign >> > > >> >> > > >> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the >> > > >> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's >> still >> > > very much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of >> > confidence, >> > > love it! >> > > >> >> > > >> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I >> > > >> put together a version that I thought might support the evolution of >> > > >> Cordova into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on >> this >> > > >> early logo update mockup: regular >> > > >> < >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni >> > > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=r7JctK6wY1QhZ2GZNlumefajI4vAGiseq9LrehDxEPQ%3d >> %2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png >> > > >> &data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com >> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d >> > > >> >> 409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=oKVaCThqWbhTgak3efA >> > > >> aM%2f3f1d1wGyqazXPdboZjsAk%3d> >> > > >> / flat >> > > >> < >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni >> > > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=r7JctK6wY1QhZ2GZNlumefajI4vAGiseq9LrehDxEPQ%3d >> %2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.p >> > > >> ng&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com >> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c5 >> > > >> >> 1d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vyJ80acz9%2bDPk4Y >> > > >> ZuidiCPknjl%2fwOCKN7KMyxem5jJg%3d> >> > > >> >> > > >> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the >> > > little robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The >> > > existing typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, >> but >> > > can sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My >> suggestion >> > is >> > > simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this >> > case, >> > > Brandon Text < >> > > >> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d >> > > >). >> > > >> >> > > >> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this! >> > > >> >> > > >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão < >> > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Looks great indeed, nice job! >> > > >>> >> > > >>> One thing I noticed is that >> > > >>> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fpro >> > > >>> je >> > > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=cts.apache.org&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=lVvO3PkmcJVdQB0dgvNo5cbNePQbnHaDypcxs6A4RWI%3d >> %2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40micr >> > > >>> os >> > > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=oft.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=77v5pCW0ra6Nb%2fuNbIcqQq41RU462BlgTtfHQYaFOho%3d >> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7 >> > > >>> cd 011db47%7c1&sdata=ZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d >> > > >>> seems very outdated. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <[email protected]>: >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> This looks great. >> > > >>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page? >> > > >>> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcord >> > > >>> ov >> > > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=a.apache.org&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=rLJ9p20Bvow5ZrbWSINMTOtrvxMn1TYxdGAso%2f5Udhg%3d >> %2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2f >> > > >>> sp >> > > >>> ec.html&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com >> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de064 >> > > >>> 08 >> > > >>> >> d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=Ng%2fQbCHank >> > > >>> Wf qNC%2fx9Xsaj1OxfSkoMhaH97WmznRfeI%3d >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <[email protected] >> > >> > > wrote: >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care >> > > >>>>> of >> > > >>> this. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great! >> > > >>>>>> The community will love this. >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva < >> > > >>> [email protected]> >> > > >>>>>> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>> TLDR >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign >> at >> > > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% >> > > >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg >> > > >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b >> > > >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf >> > > >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile >> > > >>>>>>> developers. From these conversations, we identified six top >> > > >>>>>>> level >> > > >>>>>>> goals: >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant to >> > > >>> developers >> > > >>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!) >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some rock >> > > >>>>>> star-quality apps >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of tools >> > > >>>>>>> and businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> 4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova by adding >> > > >>> quick >> > > >>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts (e.g. >> > > >>>>>>> plugins) >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility >> of >> > > >>>>>>> public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter) >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e. >> > > >>>>>>> branding and content parity) >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> ---- The long read ---- >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one. >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle >> > > >>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed a >> > > >>>>>>> long >> > > >>>> series >> > > >>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three months, >> > > >>> I’ve >> > > >>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has >> > > >>> collectively >> > > >>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to share a >> > > >>>>>>> summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the >> > > >>> meantime, I >> > > >>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one >> interview. >> > > >>>> When >> > > >>>>>>> asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one Cordova >> developer >> > > >>>>>>> responded: >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> “Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove that >> > > >>> it’s >> > > >>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it >> over-and-over >> > > >>>>>>> again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the same conversation >> > > >>> every >> > > >>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.” -- >> > > >>> Murali, >> > > >>>>>>> Cordova Developer >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of the >> > > >>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s front-door. >> > > >>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for the last 5+ years, >> > > >>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address some pain points >> > in >> > > the community. >> > > >>> To >> > > >>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception problem. >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few examples of >> > > >>>>>>> it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for examples of good >> > > >>>> development >> > > >>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So, we >> > > >>>>>>> thought >> > > >>> it >> > > >>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on the >> > > >>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long as >> it >> > > >>>>>>> appears >> > > >>>> in >> > > >>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets too >> > > >>>>>>> long (and it will), then we’ll randomize display. The same is >> > > >>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that build on top of >> > > Cordova. >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> “There are so many layers to cross-platform development, it’s >> > > >>>>>>> hard >> > > >>> to >> > > >>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It’s even harder to know if >> > > >>>>>>> you’re missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova Developer >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won’t address this problem. We >> > > >>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate how >> > > >>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the larger >> > > ecosystem (e.g. >> > > >>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding a little >> > > >>>>>>> more “hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers achieve >> > > >>>>>>> success faster. For example, we provide simple instructions for >> > > >>>>>>> “Getting Started” on the home page. And, on the Plugins page, >> we >> > > >>>>>>> provide a quick explanation of plugins’ role in Cordova >> > > development. >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> “It’s not clear where I can go for support.” -- Geoff, Cordova >> > > >>>>> Developer >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> Okay… none of us want to provide customer support for the >> whole >> > > >>>>>>> community, but I want to make it easy for people to find the >> > > >>>>>>> community. To that end, our goal was to integrate prominent >> > > >>> pointers >> > > >>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates – e.g. Slack, >> > > >>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list. >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is… well, for people with more >> > > >>>>>>> time >> > > >>> on >> > > >>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like the right time for a >> > > >>> change >> > > >>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer need and >> > > >>>> little >> > > >>>>>>> risk in making the change. >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site >> > > >>> launched >> > > >>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it will be >> > > >>> easy >> > > >>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please >> > > >>>>>>> file them here: >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f >> > > >>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205 >> > > >>>>>>> 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d >> > > >>>>>>> e06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata= >> > > >>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-) >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% >> > > >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg >> > > >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b >> > > >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf >> > > >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> Thanks! >> > > >>>>>>> Ryan J. 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