This sounds more like consensus! I too am +1 on changing the typeface. Cheers, Jesse
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > +1 on the typeface - I think it does send the “modern-ness” message. > > > > >> On 10/8/15, 10:39 AM, "Carlos Santana" <csantan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> + 1 on the typeface >> leave the logo as it is today (3d, gray, etc..) >> >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:26 AM Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> +1 >>>> On Oct 7, 2015 9:15 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b...@brian.io> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well said, and ya updated typeface looks slick. 👍 >>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really >>> stands >>>>> out and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I know >>>>> there's a lot of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that >>> reason I >>>>> wouldn't dream of losing our beloved robot. However, the typography is >>> a >>>>> different story. >>>>> >>>>> Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your >>>>> perspective. From talking with many of you and other developers at >>>>> conferences and events over the past year, I've heard a repeating theme >>>>> that Cordova has a public-perception problem. A typography update won't >>>>> change that perception by itself, but it will demonstrate that Cordova >>>>> isn't staying still... that the project is evolving, growing and >>>> improving. >>>>> >>>>> </mytwocents> >>>>> rjs >>>>> >>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead >>>>> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova >>>>> rsa...@microsoft.com >>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:to...@devgeeks.org] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >>>>> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign >>>>> >>>>> Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others >>>> thought" >>>>> category on this one. >>>>> >>>>> I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no >>> opinion. >>>>> >>>>>> On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we >>>>> don't need it. >>>>>> I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <bra...@microsoft.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry >>>>> (his email is included below). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections were >>>>> raised. This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown >>>> in >>>>> picture A below. Also, we may replace the background image with the >>>> simple >>>>> gradient as shown in picture B below. Please let me know if there are >>>> any >>>>> concerns replacing this background image. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brad Gashler >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A) New logo only >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B) New logo and new gradient background >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:b...@ionic.io] >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM >>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the >>>>>>> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's >>> still >>>>> very much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of >>>> confidence, >>>>> love it! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I >>>>>>> put together a version that I thought might support the evolution of >>>>>>> Cordova into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on >>> this >>>>>>> early logo update mockup: regular >>>>>>> < >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=r7JctK6wY1QhZ2GZNlumefajI4vAGiseq9LrehDxEPQ%3d >>> %2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png >>>>>>> &data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com >>> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d >>> 409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=oKVaCThqWbhTgak3efA >>>>>>> aM%2f3f1d1wGyqazXPdboZjsAk%3d> >>>>>>> / flat >>>>>>> < >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=r7JctK6wY1QhZ2GZNlumefajI4vAGiseq9LrehDxEPQ%3d >>> %2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.p >>>>>>> ng&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com >>> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c5 >>> 1d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vyJ80acz9%2bDPk4Y >>>>>>> ZuidiCPknjl%2fwOCKN7KMyxem5jJg%3d> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the >>>>> little robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The >>>>> existing typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, >>> but >>>>> can sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My >>> suggestion >>>> is >>>>> simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this >>>> case, >>>>> Brandon Text < >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d >>>>>> ). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão < >>>>> frederico.gal...@pontoget.com.br> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looks great indeed, nice job! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One thing I noticed is that >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fpro >>>>>>>> je >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=cts.apache.org&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=lVvO3PkmcJVdQB0dgvNo5cbNePQbnHaDypcxs6A4RWI%3d >>> %2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40micr >>>>>>>> os >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=oft.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=77v5pCW0ra6Nb%2fuNbIcqQq41RU462BlgTtfHQYaFOho%3d >>> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7 >>>>>>>> cd 011db47%7c1&sdata=ZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d >>>>>>>> seems very outdated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This looks great. >>>>>>>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page? >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcord >>>>>>>> ov >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=a.apache.org&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=rLJ9p20Bvow5ZrbWSINMTOtrvxMn1TYxdGAso%2f5Udhg%3d >>> %2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2f >>>>>>>> sp >>>>>>>> ec.html&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com >>> %7c46d14102d64c4e5de064 >>>>>>>> 08 >>> d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=Ng%2fQbCHank >>>>>>>> Wf qNC%2fx9Xsaj1OxfSkoMhaH97WmznRfeI%3d >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <anis.ka...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great! >>>>>>>>>>> The community will love this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva < >>>>>>>> ryanjsa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> TLDR >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign >>> at >>>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% >>>>>>>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg >>>>>>>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b >>>>>>>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf >>>>>>>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile >>>>>>>>>>>> developers. From these conversations, we identified six top >>>>>>>>>>>> level >>>>>>>>>>>> goals: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant to >>>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some rock >>>>>>>>>>> star-quality apps >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of tools >>>>>>>>>>>> and businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova by adding >>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts (e.g. >>>>>>>>>>>> plugins) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility >>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e. >>>>>>>>>>>> branding and content parity) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---- The long read ---- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle >>>>>>>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed a >>>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>> series >>>>>>>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three months, >>>>>>>> I’ve >>>>>>>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has >>>>>>>> collectively >>>>>>>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to share a >>>>>>>>>>>> summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the >>>>>>>> meantime, I >>>>>>>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one >>> interview. >>>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>>>>> asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one Cordova >>> developer >>>>>>>>>>>> responded: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> “Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove that >>>>>>>> it’s >>>>>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it >>> over-and-over >>>>>>>>>>>> again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the same conversation >>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.” -- >>>>>>>> Murali, >>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova Developer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of the >>>>>>>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s front-door. >>>>>>>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for the last 5+ years, >>>>>>>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address some pain points >>>> in >>>>> the community. >>>>>>>> To >>>>>>>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few examples of >>>>>>>>>>>> it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for examples of good >>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So, we >>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on the >>>>>>>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long as >>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> appears >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets too >>>>>>>>>>>> long (and it will), then we’ll randomize display. The same is >>>>>>>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that build on top of >>>>> Cordova. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> “There are so many layers to cross-platform development, it’s >>>>>>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It’s even harder to know if >>>>>>>>>>>> you’re missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova Developer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won’t address this problem. We >>>>>>>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate how >>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the larger >>>>> ecosystem (e.g. >>>>>>>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding a little >>>>>>>>>>>> more “hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers achieve >>>>>>>>>>>> success faster. For example, we provide simple instructions for >>>>>>>>>>>> “Getting Started” on the home page. And, on the Plugins page, >>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> provide a quick explanation of plugins’ role in Cordova >>>>> development. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s not clear where I can go for support.” -- Geoff, Cordova >>>>>>>>>> Developer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Okay… none of us want to provide customer support for the >>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>> community, but I want to make it easy for people to find the >>>>>>>>>>>> community. To that end, our goal was to integrate prominent >>>>>>>> pointers >>>>>>>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates – e.g. Slack, >>>>>>>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is… well, for people with more >>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like the right time for a >>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer need and >>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>> risk in making the change. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site >>>>>>>> launched >>>>>>>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it will be >>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please >>>>>>>>>>>> file them here: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f >>>>>>>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205 >>>>>>>>>>>> 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d >>>>>>>>>>>> e06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata= >>>>>>>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f% >>>>>>>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg >>>>>>>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b >>>>>>>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf >>>>>>>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan J. 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