To summarise the survey Monolithic versus Micro-services
Right now Fineract CN is a monolithic application although services interact with a set of core libs that are acting as dependencies . These dependencies need to be maintained alongside the core service If I want to write a service I am bounded as of now use the existing template that is shipped with existing dependencies. I am restricted to use certain libs and patterns that are anti micro services in nature I can most probably only use Java based service to interact using Eureka any other Lang I cannot use . So far two people from the community are saying let’s just stick with this approach and calling this as micro service also Perhaps after a round of further additional information we can open votes to see what exactly community would want On Monday, September 27, 2021, Saransh Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: > I understand Awasum , but this thread is a survey about the Fineract CN > improvement and nothing else. Myrle lets treat this as a survey so that we > can learn from the past. > > Please help me close this issue FINC-352 > > Thanks > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:46 PM Saransh Sharma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hey, I have opened an JIRA link with suggestion from Ronal >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FINCN-352 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:35 PM Awasum Yannick <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> My point was that people who contributed in the past have identified >>> issues which when solved will make Fineract CN easy to develop. Here is >>> one: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FINCN-25 >>> >>> We should be focused on removing those blockers and still using the >>> current Language (Java), Framework (Spring) and DBs until we get version >>> one. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 4:57 PM Saransh Sharma <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You see that;s what i mean the services consume a lot of memory because >>>> you know and I know why? Right >>>> >>>> Anyway let's work together to pave a path, I am just trying to >>>> incentivise people here who can maybe help. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:22 PM Awasum Yannick <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 4:42 PM Saransh Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Awasum , I am just trying to incentivise the developers and >>>>>> contributors here. I know that committers are not paid. That's a good >>>>>> thing, let's keep it that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not hiring a developer plus we are on a different thread, I >>>>>> think we are just discussing the idea of how we can improve the project >>>>>> in >>>>>> terms of making the libs small and introducing some form of automation so >>>>>> that developers can go ahead and develop and maybe a release is possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you ever tried running the fineract CN ? Go ahead and run and >>>>>> perhaps you will know how hard and cumbersome it is to run the project >>>>>> and >>>>>> even extend also at the same time Some might have done it but they have >>>>>> not >>>>>> contributed back ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FINCN-25 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Now tell me since last 2 years did anyone out of the volunteer tried >>>>>> to improve or upgrade the source code ? We tried at some level and found >>>>>> out some issues coming up so we are here reporting them, have some >>>>>> patience >>>>>> and please listen to them, nothing else >>>>>> >>>>>> You have highlighted valid tasks no doubt but again we are discussing >>>>>> something else right now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again you cannot decide for the community let community first >>>>>> discuss and come to a resolve then we can say but sending such mails from >>>>>> the likes of you does not go well with the community >>>>>> >>>>>> I request all that we are trying to communicate and discuss >>>>>> improvement in Fineract CN at this thread >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW check Micahel email from last year, he clearly mentioned that >>>>>> it's good to incentivise the developers and contributors after all the >>>>>> work >>>>>> is going back. He also gave a boilerplate in his email on how to do that >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> Patience my friend ,Again dont jump on conclusion >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 8:56 PM Awasum Yannick <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Saransh, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Fineract PMC or Committers do not pay anyone here to do >>>>>>> development on the Fineract codebase. The PMC does not manage a budget >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> developing Fineract. We are all volunteers here and contribute as >>>>>>> individuals not companies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you want to hire a Developer to do work on Fineract, then you >>>>>>> have to manage that outside of Fineract. Hire someone at your foundation >>>>>>> and define their role and get them to fix issues if you like. But they >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> to fix issues which the community wants and needs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you want to do any of the tasks which I highlighted in my >>>>>>> earlier email then go ahead. If you want to rewrite Fineract CN or >>>>>>> Fineract >>>>>>> CN, then fork the project and call it a different name and take the >>>>>>> discussion to another forum and leave the majority of people here who >>>>>>> believe in Fineract CN to stay on. You can even create your own new >>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>> Project if that is what you want.. Apache Incubator is there to guide >>>>>>> you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The community at this time does not want to change the language, >>>>>>> framework or architecture of Fineract CN at this time. We want to test, >>>>>>> improve and release what is already available. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 4:13 PM Saransh Sharma < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know what this email means. I am not asking you to enter in >>>>>>>> any kind of business with me? It's a grant Myrle, I mean it's not a >>>>>>>> typical >>>>>>>> business transaction. Grant from a non profit that could help >>>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>> and contributors to work together nothing else ,I am not going to >>>>>>>> influence >>>>>>>> anyone in any way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually zero trust protocol aka Blockchain does help in such >>>>>>>> transactions by the way , the idea that we need to trust someone is >>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>> flawed in many ways. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I neve dismissed Sander; he raised an interesting point but I >>>>>>>> highlighted why the point is no longer valid. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Banking the unbanked by also a solution that the unbanked cannot >>>>>>>> manage or use , that is what we are trying to solve. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 7:46 PM Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So much wrong here, I'm just gonna skip to the end. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 3:09 PM Saransh Sharma < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ok , understood we can put more fire power once we get this >>>>>>>>>> rolling, but if you look at the work I asked was to develop the >>>>>>>>>> Proposal >>>>>>>>>> not actual development, think that's a lot ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saransh, I do not trust you, and won't be entering into a business >>>>>>>>> relationship with you already for that reason. But even if I did, >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> management approach here is completely wrong: you are trying to >>>>>>>>> replace >>>>>>>>> intrinsic motivation to bank the unbanked, or build a software >>>>>>>>> architecture >>>>>>>>> I can believe in, or (equally valid) build a business that I can own. >>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>> are trying to replace that intrinsic motivation with extrinsic >>>>>>>>> motivation >>>>>>>>> of $1500 and <handwave> blockchain. (Which, given the way you >>>>>>>>> dismissed >>>>>>>>> Sander, you clearly don't understand either.) I shouldn't need to >>>>>>>>> tell you >>>>>>>>> that that is... unlikely to lead to your own success. The people >>>>>>>>> here have >>>>>>>>> earned more dignity than that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>>> Myrle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thanks and regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saransh Sharma >>>>>>>> Research Partner >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This mail is governed by Muellners® IT policy. >>>>>>>> The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying >>>>>>>> documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise >>>>>>>> protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please >>>>>>>> immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this >>>>>>>> message, >>>>>>>> including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other >>>>>>>> use of >>>>>>>> the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended >>>>>>>> recipient is >>>>>>>> strictly prohibited. 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