Thank you all for the feedback so far. @Xintong, as you may know, AWS provides a managed Apache Flink service called Kinesis Data Analytics. We regularly speak to our customers (these range from startups to large enterprises) in various stages of familiarity with Apache Flink. Most comments about the current Apache Flink website come from developers new to Flink and decision makers (tech leads or higher) who look through the website to quickly understand the value proposition of Flink and why they should use it. On the other hand, most developers already familiar with Flink do not typically use the Flink website, rather we see them spend most of their time on Flink documentation. However, even these developers when explicitly asked in our conversations often comment that the website could do with a redesign.
@Mattias, there are a few more pages in the current website that would fall in to the "only design changes" category. I will edit the FLIP to include all of them and we can have a discussion about each with the mockup once ready. See next step below for details As far as the time to redesign is concerned, I believe that depends on how many engineers with front end experience have capacity to help (any volunteers?). We have a few engineers willing and interested to contribute from AWS. I am not convinced we need to wait until the 2.0 release or any version release for that matter. We can completely decouple the website changes so that we are able to execute on the changes quickly once we solidify the design for a set of pages. Next step: I am happy to provide mockups for each of the pages (the ones with minor content change and the ones with no content change) and also show how the theme will apply to documentation only for consideration. We may choose not to make any changes to documentation in this FLIP, but it may be useful to visualize before we decide. Given that we aren't really making any major content changes at this point, I think a FLIP for each page will not be necessary. Rather, we could use this discussion thread for specific feedback for each page that will be changed. On 7/12/23, 12:59 PM, "Danny Cranmer" <dannycran...@apache.org <mailto:dannycran...@apache.org>> wrote: CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. Thanks for driving this Deepthi. Looks great to me; a huge improvement over the current website. We had agreed in the previous discussion [1] to keep the main website separate from the docs since the target audience is different. I am inclined to decouple the two and re-evaluate updating the docs in a separate FLIP later. Thanks, Danny [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8 <https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8> On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 2:38 PM Jingsong Li <jingsongl...@gmail.com <mailto:jingsongl...@gmail.com>> wrote: > It's exciting to finally have someone to refactor the Flink website. > > Thanks Deepthi. > > To Xintong, > > > maintain two sets of website designs at the same time > > If our website is not so complex, and new webui can be full feature > coverage, there would be no need to maintain two sets of web. > > To Jing > > +1 to consider Flink doc too. > > Best, > Jingsong > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 8:16 PM Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com.inva > <mailto:j...@ververica.com.inva>lid> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > +1, the UI design looks good! > > > > Commonly speaking, there are two parts of the whole website: Flink Web > and > > Flink doc. Will the dart mode also cover Flink doc? > > > > Best regards, > > Jing > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 12:40 PM Matthias Pohl > > <matthias.p...@aiven.io.inva <mailto:matthias.p...@aiven.io.inva>lid> wrote: > > > > > I also like the proposed designs. Considering that you want to touch > > > individual subpages, there are also some subpages of Flink's website > not > > > being mentioned in the FLIP (e.g. roadmap [1]). What is the plan with > > > those? Are they covered by the "We recommend modifications only to the > > > design of the following pages" part but are not listed there? > > > > > > Additionally, it would be nice to get a bit more insight into the > feedback > > > from users as Xintong pointed out. It would be interesting to > understand > > > how the new design helps solving certain problems (besides having the > > > motivation to modernize the look and feel). > > > > > > I'm also wondering whether it's doable to do a discussion (FLIP?) per > > > subpage on the design (as proposed by Chesnay in the first discussion > on > > > this topic [2] to have smaller changes rather than a single big one). > But I > > > could imagine this being quite tedious because different people might > > > have different opinions on how something should be done. > > > > > > I don't have any experience with frontend design. I'm wondering how > much > > > time such a redesign takes. Could it be linked to the 2.0 release? > > > > > > Thanks for the FLIP (you might want to add [2] to the FLIP's header > for the > > > sake of transparency). > > > Matthias > > > > > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/roadmap/ <https://flink.apache.org/roadmap/> > > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8 > > > <https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8> > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:39 AM Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com > > > <mailto:tonysong...@gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 in general. > > > > > > > > Thanks for proposing this contribution, Deepthi. The new design looks > > > very > > > > cool. > > > > > > > > I have a few questions, which might be entry-level given that I > barely > > > know > > > > anything about the website design. > > > > - Do you think it's feasible to maintain two sets of website designs > at > > > the > > > > same time? E.g., adding a button "back to previous version". I'm > asking > > > > because, while the new UI might be more friendly to newcomers, the > > > original > > > > website might be more convenient for people who are already familiar > with > > > > it to find things. It would be nice if we can offer both options to > > > users. > > > > - For the documentation, I wonder if it makes sense to offer the same > > > color > > > > theme as the website, to keep the experience consistent. How much > effort > > > > does it require? > > > > - In the FLIP, you mentioned things like "there's a general > consensus" > > > and > > > > "feedback from customers". I'm curious where these come from. Have > you > > > > conducted some sort of survey? Would you mind sharing a bit more > about > > > > that? > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Xintong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 4:57 PM Feifan Wang <zoltar9...@163.com > > > > <mailto:zoltar9...@163.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 , the new design looks more attractive and is well organized > > > > > > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > Feifan Wang > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > zoltar9...@163.com <mailto:zoltar9...@163.com> > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Replied Message ---- > > > > > | From | Leonard Xu<xbjt...@gmail.com <mailto:xbjt...@gmail.com>> | > > > > > | Date | 07/11/2023 16:34 | > > > > > | To | dev<dev@flink.apache.org <mailto:dev@flink.apache.org>> | > > > > > | Subject | Re: [DISCUSS] FLIP 333 - Redesign Apache Flink website > | > > > > > +1 for the redesigning, the new website looks cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > Leonard > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:55 AM, Mohan, Deepthi > <mdee...@amazon.com.inva <mailto:mdee...@amazon.com.inva>LID > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I’m opening this thread to discuss a proposal to redesign the > Apache > > > > Flink > > > > > website: https://flink.apache.org <https://flink.apache.org>. The > > > > > approach and a few initial > > > > mockups > > > > > are included in FLIP 333 - Redesign Apache Flink website.< > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-333%3A+Redesign+Apache+Flink+website > > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-333%3A+Redesign+Apache+Flink+website> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The goal is to modernize the website design to help existing and > new > > > > users > > > > > easily understand Flink’s value proposition and make Flink > attractive > > > to > > > > > new users. As suggested in a previous thread, there are no proposed > > > > changes > > > > > to Flink documentation. > > > > > > > > > > I look forward to your feedback and the discussion. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Deepthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
