+1 the design looks great. Best Regards Ahmed Hamdy
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 07:08, Mohan, Deepthi <mdee...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote: > Thank you all for the feedback so far. > > @Xintong, as you may know, AWS provides a managed Apache Flink service > called Kinesis Data Analytics. We regularly speak to our customers (these > range from startups to large enterprises) in various stages of familiarity > with Apache Flink. Most comments about the current Apache Flink website > come from developers new to Flink and decision makers (tech leads or > higher) who look through the website to quickly understand the value > proposition of Flink and why they should use it. On the other hand, most > developers already familiar with Flink do not typically use the Flink > website, rather we see them spend most of their time on Flink > documentation. However, even these developers when explicitly asked in our > conversations often comment that the website could do with a redesign. > > @Mattias, there are a few more pages in the current website that would > fall in to the "only design changes" category. I will edit the FLIP to > include all of them and we can have a discussion about each with the mockup > once ready. See next step below for details > > As far as the time to redesign is concerned, I believe that depends on how > many engineers with front end experience have capacity to help (any > volunteers?). We have a few engineers willing and interested to contribute > from AWS. I am not convinced we need to wait until the 2.0 release or any > version release for that matter. We can completely decouple the website > changes so that we are able to execute on the changes quickly once we > solidify the design for a set of pages. > > Next step: I am happy to provide mockups for each of the pages (the ones > with minor content change and the ones with no content change) and also > show how the theme will apply to documentation only for consideration. We > may choose not to make any changes to documentation in this FLIP, but it > may be useful to visualize before we decide. Given that we aren't really > making any major content changes at this point, I think a FLIP for each > page will not be necessary. Rather, we could use this discussion thread for > specific feedback for each page that will be changed. > > > On 7/12/23, 12:59 PM, "Danny Cranmer" <dannycran...@apache.org <mailto: > dannycran...@apache.org>> wrote: > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > > > > Thanks for driving this Deepthi. > > > Looks great to me; a huge improvement over the current website. We had > agreed in the previous discussion [1] to keep the main website separate > from the docs since the target audience is different. I am inclined to > decouple the two and re-evaluate updating the docs in a separate FLIP > later. > > > Thanks, > Danny > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8 < > https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8> > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 2:38 PM Jingsong Li <jingsongl...@gmail.com > <mailto:jingsongl...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > It's exciting to finally have someone to refactor the Flink website. > > > > Thanks Deepthi. > > > > To Xintong, > > > > > maintain two sets of website designs at the same time > > > > If our website is not so complex, and new webui can be full feature > > coverage, there would be no need to maintain two sets of web. > > > > To Jing > > > > +1 to consider Flink doc too. > > > > Best, > > Jingsong > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 8:16 PM Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com.inva > <mailto:j...@ververica.com.inva>lid> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > +1, the UI design looks good! > > > > > > Commonly speaking, there are two parts of the whole website: Flink Web > > and > > > Flink doc. Will the dart mode also cover Flink doc? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Jing > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 12:40 PM Matthias Pohl > > > <matthias.p...@aiven.io.inva <mailto:matthias.p...@aiven.io.inva>lid> > wrote: > > > > > > > I also like the proposed designs. Considering that you want to touch > > > > individual subpages, there are also some subpages of Flink's website > > not > > > > being mentioned in the FLIP (e.g. roadmap [1]). What is the plan with > > > > those? Are they covered by the "We recommend modifications only to > the > > > > design of the following pages" part but are not listed there? > > > > > > > > Additionally, it would be nice to get a bit more insight into the > > feedback > > > > from users as Xintong pointed out. It would be interesting to > > understand > > > > how the new design helps solving certain problems (besides having the > > > > motivation to modernize the look and feel). > > > > > > > > I'm also wondering whether it's doable to do a discussion (FLIP?) per > > > > subpage on the design (as proposed by Chesnay in the first discussion > > on > > > > this topic [2] to have smaller changes rather than a single big one). > > But I > > > > could imagine this being quite tedious because different people might > > > > have different opinions on how something should be done. > > > > > > > > I don't have any experience with frontend design. I'm wondering how > > much > > > > time such a redesign takes. Could it be linked to the 2.0 release? > > > > > > > > Thanks for the FLIP (you might want to add [2] to the FLIP's header > > for the > > > > sake of transparency). > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/roadmap/ < > https://flink.apache.org/roadmap/> > > > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8 > <https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:39 AM Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com > <mailto:tonysong...@gmail.com>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 in general. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for proposing this contribution, Deepthi. The new design > looks > > > > very > > > > > cool. > > > > > > > > > > I have a few questions, which might be entry-level given that I > > barely > > > > know > > > > > anything about the website design. > > > > > - Do you think it's feasible to maintain two sets of website > designs > > at > > > > the > > > > > same time? E.g., adding a button "back to previous version". I'm > > asking > > > > > because, while the new UI might be more friendly to newcomers, the > > > > original > > > > > website might be more convenient for people who are already > familiar > > with > > > > > it to find things. It would be nice if we can offer both options to > > > > users. > > > > > - For the documentation, I wonder if it makes sense to offer the > same > > > > color > > > > > theme as the website, to keep the experience consistent. How much > > effort > > > > > does it require? > > > > > - In the FLIP, you mentioned things like "there's a general > > consensus" > > > > and > > > > > "feedback from customers". I'm curious where these come from. Have > > you > > > > > conducted some sort of survey? Would you mind sharing a bit more > > about > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > Xintong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 4:57 PM Feifan Wang <zoltar9...@163.com > <mailto:zoltar9...@163.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > +1 , the new design looks more attractive and is well organized > > > > > > > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > Feifan Wang > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > zoltar9...@163.com <mailto:zoltar9...@163.com> > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Replied Message ---- > > > > > > | From | Leonard Xu<xbjt...@gmail.com <mailto:xbjt...@gmail.com>> > | > > > > > > | Date | 07/11/2023 16:34 | > > > > > > | To | dev<dev@flink.apache.org <mailto:dev@flink.apache.org>> | > > > > > > | Subject | Re: [DISCUSS] FLIP 333 - Redesign Apache Flink > website > > | > > > > > > +1 for the redesigning, the new website looks cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Leonard > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:55 AM, Mohan, Deepthi > > <mdee...@amazon.com.inva <mailto:mdee...@amazon.com.inva>LID > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m opening this thread to discuss a proposal to redesign the > > Apache > > > > > Flink > > > > > > website: https://flink.apache.org <https://flink.apache.org>. > The approach and a few initial > > > > > mockups > > > > > > are included in FLIP 333 - Redesign Apache Flink website.< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-333%3A+Redesign+Apache+Flink+website > < > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-333%3A+Redesign+Apache+Flink+website > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The goal is to modernize the website design to help existing and > > new > > > > > users > > > > > > easily understand Flink’s value proposition and make Flink > > attractive > > > > to > > > > > > new users. As suggested in a previous thread, there are no > proposed > > > > > changes > > > > > > to Flink documentation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I look forward to your feedback and the discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Deepthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
