+1 the design looks great.
Best Regards
Ahmed Hamdy

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 07:08, Mohan, Deepthi <mdee...@amazon.com.invalid>
wrote:

> Thank you all for the feedback so far.
>
> @Xintong, as you may know, AWS provides a managed Apache Flink service
> called Kinesis Data Analytics. We regularly speak to our customers (these
> range from startups to large enterprises) in various stages of familiarity
> with Apache Flink. Most comments about the current Apache Flink website
> come from developers new to Flink and decision makers (tech leads or
> higher) who look through the website to quickly understand the value
> proposition of Flink and why they should use it. On the other hand, most
> developers already familiar with Flink do not typically use the Flink
> website, rather we see them spend most of their time on Flink
> documentation. However, even these developers when explicitly asked in our
> conversations often comment that the website could do with a redesign.
>
> @Mattias, there are a few more pages in the current website that would
> fall in to the "only design changes" category. I will edit the FLIP to
> include all of them and we can have a discussion about each with the mockup
> once ready. See next step below for details
>
> As far as the time to redesign is concerned, I believe that depends on how
> many engineers with front end experience have capacity to help (any
> volunteers?). We have a few engineers willing and interested to contribute
> from AWS. I am not convinced we need to wait until the 2.0 release or any
> version release for that matter. We can completely decouple the website
> changes so that we are able to execute on the changes quickly once we
> solidify the design for a set of pages.
>
> Next step: I am happy to provide mockups for each of the pages (the ones
> with minor content change and the ones with no content change) and also
> show how the theme will apply to documentation only for consideration. We
> may choose not to make any changes to documentation in this FLIP, but it
> may be useful to visualize before we decide. Given that we aren't really
> making any major content changes at this point, I think a FLIP for each
> page will not be necessary. Rather, we could use this discussion thread for
> specific feedback for each page that will be changed.
>
>
> On 7/12/23, 12:59 PM, "Danny Cranmer" <dannycran...@apache.org <mailto:
> dannycran...@apache.org>> wrote:
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> Thanks for driving this Deepthi.
>
>
> Looks great to me; a huge improvement over the current website. We had
> agreed in the previous discussion [1] to keep the main website separate
> from the docs since the target audience is different. I am inclined to
> decouple the two and re-evaluate updating the docs in a separate FLIP
> later.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Danny
>
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8 <
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 2:38 PM Jingsong Li <jingsongl...@gmail.com
> <mailto:jingsongl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> > It's exciting to finally have someone to refactor the Flink website.
> >
> > Thanks Deepthi.
> >
> > To Xintong,
> >
> > > maintain two sets of website designs at the same time
> >
> > If our website is not so complex, and new webui can be full feature
> > coverage, there would be no need to maintain two sets of web.
> >
> > To Jing
> >
> > +1 to consider Flink doc too.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jingsong
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 8:16 PM Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com.inva
> <mailto:j...@ververica.com.inva>lid>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > +1, the UI design looks good!
> > >
> > > Commonly speaking, there are two parts of the whole website: Flink Web
> > and
> > > Flink doc. Will the dart mode also cover Flink doc?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Jing
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 12:40 PM Matthias Pohl
> > > <matthias.p...@aiven.io.inva <mailto:matthias.p...@aiven.io.inva>lid>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I also like the proposed designs. Considering that you want to touch
> > > > individual subpages, there are also some subpages of Flink's website
> > not
> > > > being mentioned in the FLIP (e.g. roadmap [1]). What is the plan with
> > > > those? Are they covered by the "We recommend modifications only to
> the
> > > > design of the following pages" part but are not listed there?
> > > >
> > > > Additionally, it would be nice to get a bit more insight into the
> > feedback
> > > > from users as Xintong pointed out. It would be interesting to
> > understand
> > > > how the new design helps solving certain problems (besides having the
> > > > motivation to modernize the look and feel).
> > > >
> > > > I'm also wondering whether it's doable to do a discussion (FLIP?) per
> > > > subpage on the design (as proposed by Chesnay in the first discussion
> > on
> > > > this topic [2] to have smaller changes rather than a single big one).
> > But I
> > > > could imagine this being quite tedious because different people might
> > > > have different opinions on how something should be done.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have any experience with frontend design. I'm wondering how
> > much
> > > > time such a redesign takes. Could it be linked to the 2.0 release?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the FLIP (you might want to add [2] to the FLIP's header
> > for the
> > > > sake of transparency).
> > > > Matthias
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/roadmap/ <
> https://flink.apache.org/roadmap/>
> > > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8
> <https://lists.apache.org/thread/c3pt00cf77lrtgt242p26lgp9l2z5yc8>
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:39 AM Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com
> <mailto:tonysong...@gmail.com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 in general.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for proposing this contribution, Deepthi. The new design
> looks
> > > > very
> > > > > cool.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a few questions, which might be entry-level given that I
> > barely
> > > > know
> > > > > anything about the website design.
> > > > > - Do you think it's feasible to maintain two sets of website
> designs
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > same time? E.g., adding a button "back to previous version". I'm
> > asking
> > > > > because, while the new UI might be more friendly to newcomers, the
> > > > original
> > > > > website might be more convenient for people who are already
> familiar
> > with
> > > > > it to find things. It would be nice if we can offer both options to
> > > > users.
> > > > > - For the documentation, I wonder if it makes sense to offer the
> same
> > > > color
> > > > > theme as the website, to keep the experience consistent. How much
> > effort
> > > > > does it require?
> > > > > - In the FLIP, you mentioned things like "there's a general
> > consensus"
> > > > and
> > > > > "feedback from customers". I'm curious where these come from. Have
> > you
> > > > > conducted some sort of survey? Would you mind sharing a bit more
> > about
> > > > > that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > Xintong
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 4:57 PM Feifan Wang <zoltar9...@163.com
> <mailto:zoltar9...@163.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1 , the new design looks more attractive and is well organized
> > > > > >
> > > > > > |
> > > > > > |
> > > > > > Feifan Wang
> > > > > > |
> > > > > > |
> > > > > > zoltar9...@163.com <mailto:zoltar9...@163.com>
> > > > > > |
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---- Replied Message ----
> > > > > > | From | Leonard Xu<xbjt...@gmail.com <mailto:xbjt...@gmail.com>>
> |
> > > > > > | Date | 07/11/2023 16:34 |
> > > > > > | To | dev<dev@flink.apache.org <mailto:dev@flink.apache.org>> |
> > > > > > | Subject | Re: [DISCUSS] FLIP 333 - Redesign Apache Flink
> website
> > |
> > > > > > +1 for the redesigning, the new website looks cool.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Leonard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:55 AM, Mohan, Deepthi
> > <mdee...@amazon.com.inva <mailto:mdee...@amazon.com.inva>LID
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’m opening this thread to discuss a proposal to redesign the
> > Apache
> > > > > Flink
> > > > > > website: https://flink.apache.org <https://flink.apache.org>.
> The approach and a few initial
> > > > > mockups
> > > > > > are included in FLIP 333 - Redesign Apache Flink website.<
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-333%3A+Redesign+Apache+Flink+website
> <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-333%3A+Redesign+Apache+Flink+website
> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The goal is to modernize the website design to help existing and
> > new
> > > > > users
> > > > > > easily understand Flink’s value proposition and make Flink
> > attractive
> > > > to
> > > > > > new users. As suggested in a previous thread, there are no
> proposed
> > > > > changes
> > > > > > to Flink documentation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I look forward to your feedback and the discussion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Deepthi
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
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