Steven Pauwels wrote:
I am happy to see that all of you consider yourselves professionals in
netiquette and working in a FOSS project.
Well, I invite you to find the threads where I broke the nettiquette.
None of you even react to the fact that I am talking about
profesiionalism in marketing.
Well, I am for one interested and what is next to do. If you noticed
this is the purpose of this list. "dev" comes from development.
Reacting the way you do is only a demagogue cry to suppress criticism.
OK. Continue your way. The success in open source projects is at hand
this way :)
Cristian Driga schreef:
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I totally agree with Chad and I am outraged by the lack of politeness,
respect and lack of real interest of helping out and doing real work
that Steven has shown. No attempt to first understand the written and
non-written rules of this project at all.
Most off you have shown disrespect for these rules in prior posts.
Most of me ? :)
Anyway... find please in all past 4 year of participation on the lists
the places where _I_'ve been disrespectfull regarding the rules and
where I've been counter-productive or disrupting constructive threads.
Please.
More: In all the postings I saw there was one single main idea: Steven
is the best marketing specialist ever and we are nothing and we do not
want to listen to him.
What are you affraid of? These are your words, not mine. I have only
said what experience I have and that I want to contribute. Read the art
list. Some people actually appreciate experience and are not affraid of
it..
Many people come here telling what expertise they have. It is the normal
way of introducing themselves. We got that, and I was even happier when
you started that page in the wiki.
It took me 2-3 months before I understood how things work when I joined
and then I started participating. And it passed another 2-3 months
before what I did started to show results. As nobody here is full time
employee you should expect lack of response even to good ideas and you
should continue untill they get roots and flourish. This is something
you seem not to understand in an open source project.
I know the art list, I created it and the art project together with
other members willing to work and help. And I follow that list when I
have the chance as my daily work overwhelmes me.
Your posts there prove that when you want you can really help and cooperate.
No wish to collaborate,no nettiquette, ignoring calls for reasoning
and understanding each other, not to mention ignoring other members
who try to offer advice in continuing to build up on great ideas he
has spoke about.
These are no more then low aimed accusations.
Well ? I can attach here also the direct emails I sent to you on
starting cooperating on marketing and in the wiki and I can link to
threads I've started attempting to communicate with you in the last 3
weeks and to which I did not received any response.
(See for example the *lack of response to invitation to discuss
seriously on this thread* [Uniform message and look [WAS Re: Vote
about official OpenOffice.org OEM label]])
I believe I have done the same previeously on many threads I started and
can you shopw me one where that was respected?
I do not get it. The last two or three weeks since we've started the
wiki in an attempt to solve the lack of interactive tools problem, the
project is in changing.
Too long in the last year there were persons here only breaking the
basic rules and right now we were in anoter phase, of getting back to
constructive discussions. This untill you started again yesterday to do
these disrespectfull interventions in the list.
I am well aware that there might be serious reasons for Jacqueline not
to be around lately but she will be back on the list asap. But taking
advantage of this and starting riots is something we do not need.
Firstly, I do not know of here whereabouts, Secondly, I can only start a
riot if there is follow up. Are you affraid there is?
I *perfectly know* that her real life keeps her right now away from
Internet. This is why you did not see any response from her. NOT BECAUSE
YOU ARE IGNORED. If you believe that very well. The idea is that we, the
other members are here and know her better than you and we know one
thing, that even when the lead is away, we have to continue here.
MORE: the reaction of deleting your own page in the wiki because, I
suppose you did not get a sign from the leads,
Completely wrong. I do not need a sign frfom leads. I need them to take
responsability and actually manage marketing for OOo.
Would you be happy that because of personal problems you were not around
and someone else would decide that you are not a professional because
you do not respond to emails ? You have to show more Steven before you
are recognized. This is meritocracy. Not like in firms, here you have to
prove yourself in a longer period of time over various problems that the
project is confronting. And this is only way of advancing here.
is that of an immature person.
So If I wish not to contribute anymore, I cannnto decide on what happens
with what I contributed?
Once you decided to make public an information on an open source website
you are supposed to be aware that you donated that information and you
cannot decide to take it back.
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I have no disrecpect for persons, but do not agree with the way things
are done. Shure is a different thing.
You got it all wrong. You got here in a wrong period of time when
phisically some of the key members are away. This is why patience is the
best approach.
Your actions have been disrespectfull to me as a member willing only to
see things getting done and willing to help new contributors getting
started.
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Steven P.
Cristian
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