Hi Jürgen,
Sorry for the delay, but I don't have a lot of time for mails.
Le 12 janv. 10 à 10:57, Juergen Schmidt a écrit :
Not exactly : we did a lot, but outside of the OOo website.
that is my first question, why?
Since two years, the Education Project, received a lot of bad knocks
(mostly me in fact) and the strategy was to block every try to create
something new.
Worse: some projects derivated the Education part, what is not
really kind from a "Community" point of view.
Back to your question, externalize everything was an answer to that:
do it fastly, without bad constraints, and innovate for true. And
proof the current model is .. sub optimal.
The fact is, Education Project innovated a lot, and since it has some
visibility, more bad knocks arrive.
Creativity
needs freedom, and OpenOffice.org website does not exactly provide
the
tools we need.
no objections for freedom but is this really true and have you
tried it.
Yes, it is : we have extremely efficient and active lists, outside of
the common organisation, and our work ( through OOo4Kids) is well
appreciated. The Campus Libre is promising too.
Other good example is OOo4Kids : we created a good communication with
OLPC community, and Gdium community too.
All this is extremely good for OpenOffice.org Project, and extends
the community.
In case of your mentioned http://educoo.edulibre.org/ i see a
drupal system the same framework that we use for our extension site.
Indeed. FYI, EduLibre is yet another french non profit association.
We have several different services under services.openoffice.org.
Can you give concrete details please.
The reason is this is still experimental, and we work with other non
profit associations (not only EduLibre), and we can not decide
everything.
Should it be considered or evaluated again because the education
project is an official OpenOffice.org project
What should be considered again ? The experimental Forge ? Again,
this is still experimental, and Edulibre is another non profit
association. What is the problem ? Isn't OpenOffice.org a Community ?
When I read you, I have some doubts ...
If you mean the Education Project : since two years, it is blocked as
"Incubator project", but maybe things could improve, indeed.
and from my point of it should run under the OOo umbrella and the
typical OOo design.
What means "OOo "Umbrella" term exactly ?
For example, I read "NeoOffice" is supported in the official
OpenOffice.org forums. Why BTW ? So why not officialy support
OOo4Kids in the forum too ? OOo4Kids is under LGPL V3 license, and
this is really more compatible with OOo than NeoOffice :-) ?
Back to design : -personal opinion- I don't like Sun design, sorry.
Probably because I'm not good with design myself ... :-)
Nevertheless, thanks for your point of view. Mine is : OOo umbrella
mean Sun corp, and if it is commonly accepted that OpenOffice.org is
a "Community Project", then, other projects, identified as "friends"
should belong too.
There is an ONG backing it up with EducOO and there is some real
work
happening on some areas of education including OOo4Kids
(http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/) and Efforts. But some are still being
developed like the "CampusLibre" project.
Just FYI :
- we created strong links with the schools we worked with, and
around 20
students have been mentored since two years
- OpenOffice.org Education Project today counts ~ 110 members (was
only
7 or 8 when I started ... )
- Campus Libre Project counts ~ 200 members :
http://campus-libre.educoo.org/index.php
my personal problem with this site is that it is french and i don't
speak french.
Strange, if I'm not wrong, the site should be localized (I'll
investigate). I remember it was working for a brazilian poeple who
wanted to join. Now, something is maybe broken, and the reason why we
did not fully translate the site is simply : resource reasons
(remember : we are not paid and do everything in our free time)
FYI, Brasilian, spanish, german, and other for sure people and some
other, have joined. Just help is needed.
- Edulibre (free Forge for collaborative work) is new and
operationnal
(we'll launch it soon officially) : http://educoo.edulibre.org/
- is the XO port *not* something concrete ? FYI, OOo4Kids will be
in the
next Sugar version : we created a strong link with another community
what is the XO port?
XO port is the port of OOo4Kids to the OLPC machines ( 900MHz / 256
MB of RAM /.1GB hard disk).
This port helped to extend the OOo community (no way to make OOo run
on those machines).
- Aren't ClassRooms concrete ? ( everything is on the
OpenOffice.org wiki )
they are and i think they are very useful.
The goal of the presentation was giving exposure to the whole
Education project so it couldn't be very practical.
Exactly : one hour is very limited, and the content is generic, but
dedicated presentations can be done on demand.
why haven't you replied on the FOSDEM CFP that i have send on the
education list as well.
Since 4 years already, and every year, I did a conference, or devroom
at FOSDEM for OpenOffice.org Project . That's one of my prefered
events in the year.
But this year is unfortunaly not possible, for family reason. And
that's simply why I can't propose something, nothing else (my family
has always the priority).
Too bad that we have the education project not there or represented.
I'll ask Thorsten Behrens to represents the Education Project.
Thorsten is extremely well appreciated from the students, contributes
a lot to the Education Project, and is every day present on the
#education.openoffice.org channel. With me, he helped the students
zillions of times, and I have no doubt he will certainly accept to
replace me..
I would be happy if you can provide us some information that we can
at least present at the booth.
Since I got a new -and reliable - car, I'll try to attend the friday
(afternoon, or evening), until saturday begining of afternoon (not
sure). Must discuss the thing with my wife :-)
Regards,
Eric Bachard
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