MNG-5778 created (quick and dirty: content to be improved with links to ML, key feature Jira issues)
and of course, to be fixed by somebody: I don't have time at the moment, but I'll do it later if nobody beats me at it Regards, Hervé Le mercredi 4 mars 2015 07:00:07 Anders Hammar a écrit : > So it's not going to be v3.3.0? > > /Anders (mobile) > > Den 4 mar 2015 06:31 skrev "Jason van Zyl" <ja...@takari.io>: > > Someone going to release Wagon 2.9-SNAPSHOT or can I roll it back to 2.8 > > for the 3.2.6 release? > > > > On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarba...@gmx.de> > > > > wrote: > > > Hi Jason, > > > > > > at the moment i have 09:00 o'clock pm ...(21:00 o'clock) CET... > > > > > > I'm available .... > > > > > > On 3/3/15 4:15 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > > >> Today in the afternoon here I can be around after 20h. Yesterday didn't > > > > work. Karl-Heinz what's your schedule looking like? > > > > >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> > > > > wrote: > > >>> I should be there (after 20h, Paris time) > > >>> I'd like to improve docs on new features (like extensions model) > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> > > >>> Hervé > > >>> > > >>> Le dimanche 1 mars 2015 15:38:32 Jason van Zyl a écrit : > > >>>> We can just sync up in IRC and pop in a hangout if people are > > > > interested. > > > > >>>> I'll sift through JIRA in the morning. I'm in California so I'll try > > > > to get > > > > >>>> up a bit earlier so it's not the end of your day by the time we get > > > > around > > > > >>>> to meeting. > > >>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarba...@gmx.de> > > > > wrote: > > >>>>> Hi Jason, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> are those changes you made already public in branches? So it's > > > > possible to > > > > >>>>> take a look into it... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> And a hangout tomorrow sounds great...I'm interested in... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Kind regards > > >>>>> Karl Heinz > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 3/1/15 10:06 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > > >>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I'm done rebasing and merging my changes into master here locally. > > > > But I > > > > >>>>>> still have a day or two of testing and a day of writing > > > > documentation. > > > > >>>>>> There are also a couple APIs I'm not super happy with so I might > > > > alter > > > > >>>>>> those slightly before the final release. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> So if anyone wants to jump in a hangout tomorrow to chat about > > > > other bits > > > > >>>>>> we want to try and do for 3.3.0 I'm game. I also need to go through > > > > and > > > > >>>>>> find all references to 3.2.6 and change them to 3.3.0. There are a > > > > few > > > > >>>>>> ITs that depend directly on 3.2.6-SNAPSHOT so all that needs to be > > >>>>>> looked at as well. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> So I think we're looking at a few more days if anyone wants to get > > > > in > > > > >>>>>> small fixes.>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: > > >>>>>>> Great, thanks. I'm just working away on the work I'd like to get > > > > in. So > > > > >>>>>>> tentatively hope to be done this weekend.>>> > > >>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Andreas Gudian < > > > > andreas.gud...@gmail.com> > > > > >>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> I'm done with my changes (documented in MNG-5776), and it seems > > > > to work > > > > >>>>>>>> - > > >>>>>>>> no at least the java process is started with the right parameters > > > > and > > > > >>>>>>>> no > > >>>>>>>> script variables leak out into the cmd console... ;-) > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> @Igor: thanks for checking up, I overlooked your second commit > > > > with the > > > > >>>>>>>> change of the VM-argument name. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> 2015-02-26 18:07 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>: > > >>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Andreas Gudian < > > > > andreas.gud...@gmail.com> > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> I can handle that, but not before the weekend. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Jason, does that conflict with your schedule for the release? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> No dire rush on my side and I have two feature branches to merge > > >>>>>>>>> anyway so > > >>>>>>>>> take your time. Happy to have the help. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we just say that we drop the support for old Windows > > > > versions > > > > >>>>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0 and do the actual work that removes the support from the > > > > bat > > > > >>>>>>>>>> files > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> the next minor release? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I would imagine that no one out there cares for Windows 98/ME > > > > anyway > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ;-). > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015 schrieb Anders Hammar : > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Stephen Connolly < > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Anders Hammar < > > > > and...@hammar.net > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing we could do to make stuff easier around these > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bat > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop support for this 4NT shell and Windows versions that > > > > are not > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> based > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NT (i.e. Windows 9x / ME). > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as Maven 3.2+ requires a minimum of JDK 1.6 there is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> no > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> support anything that JDK 1.6 doesn't run on. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> If we are calling this 3.3.0 we can just say we have dropped > > > > win > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 9x/Me > > >>>>>>>>>>>> support and the 4NT alternative command interpreter > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We should probably clearly state what we support in the > > > > System > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Requirements (both on-line and in distro). > > >>>>>>>>>>> And a JIRA ticket to go with this is good for the release > > > > notes. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> /Anders > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any info about Oracle JDK 1.6, but Oracle JDK > > > > 1.7 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> requires a > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum of Windows Vista [1]. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find any info on openJDK's requirements. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> IBM J9 JDK 6 seems to require a minimum of Windows XP SP3 > > > > [2]. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > > > http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/config-417990.html > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] > > > > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/#!/SSYKE2_6.0.0/com.ibm. > > > > >>>>>>>>> java.doc.60_26/vm626/GenericWrapper/ > > > > hardwareandsoftwarerequirements.ht > > > > >>>>>>>>> ml>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Anders > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 19:38 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome, thanks! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Andreas Gudian < > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> andreas.gud...@gmail.com <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stuck with a windows box and I can give it a try... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bat-scripting is not really a joy, but what's in the > > > > patch > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> should > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translatable. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andreas > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 17:01 GMT+01:00 Igor Fedorenko < > > > > i...@ifedorenko.com > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see actual diff to mvn shell script in [1], but > > > > the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> changes > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically two-fold. First, find nearest parent directory > > > > that > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contains > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .mvn/ subdirectory. This parent is considered "true" > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> multi-module > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project root (MNG-1958). Second, if .mvn/java.config > > > > file is > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> present > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately under the true multimodule project root, use > > > > its > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> content > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java invocation parameters, i.e. similar to $MAVEN_OPTS > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> environment > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough about Windows scripting to make > > > > similar > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> change > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn.bat and mvnDebug.bat batch files. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=maven.git;a=commit;h= > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ed9a1caa8890773b45c6c408a4e40acf4f4b0fd > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-02-25 9:56, Robert Patrick wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the problem that Igor ran into that > > > > limits > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Unix-only? Knowing this would help people determine > > > > what > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> level > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort needed to solve the problem. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Patrick <robert.patr...@oracle.com > > > > <javascript:;> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VP, Oracle Corporation > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7460 Warren Pkwy, Ste. 300 Office: +1.972.963.2872 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frisco, TX 75034, USA Mobile: +1.469.556.9450 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professional Oracle WebLogic Server > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Robert Patrick, Gregory Nyberg, and Philip Aston > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Josh Bregman and Paul Done > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Book Home Page: http://www.wrox.com/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindle Version: http://www.amazon.com/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:ja...@takari.io > > > > <javascript:;> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>] > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:40 AM > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers List > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Maven 3.2.6 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Arnaud Héritier < > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> aherit...@gmail.com <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a quick look at the changeling and I'm +1 for a > > > > 3.3.0 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements like the toolchain integration and few > > > > others > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> far > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the project and won't veto anything as I have no > > > > time > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5767 > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> was > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated without a windows support ? For me it is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noone could help Igor on this ? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great if someone would help, but it is > > > > still a > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For projects that require this and document specific > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> requirements > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just work for non-Windows users. Say the project needs > > > > 8gb to > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> run > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly: in most cases no one reads the documentation > > > > they > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> run > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it fails. Then they go read something and figure it > > > > out > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've at least made it work for some people. If there > > > > isn't a > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> single > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer who uses Windows who can add the same > > > > capabilities > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a contributor I don't think it should stop the > > > > feature > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> going > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the people it can benefit. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor and I don't use Windows regularly, don't know > > > > Windows, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> don't > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know Windows and none of our customers use Windows. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's overall a net improvement. For me it's a about > > > > gradual > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've asked on Twitter if there are any Windows > > > > users that > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> can > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many months/years ago the integration of colors in logs > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> was > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejected in a part because we wasn't confident in the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that was the issue. The issue was us not > > > > being > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> able > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on an underlying logging framework. I've seen > > > > JANSI > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> working > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows for years. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Mark Derricutt < > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> m...@talios.com <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Feb 2015, at 4:06, Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on the list of changes i would suggest to make > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.6....to make clear something is introduced.... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on 3.3.0 here. Bring on the changes! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Derricutt > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theoryinpractice.net > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.chaliceofblood.net > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://plus.google.com/+MarkDerricutt > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/talios > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/mderricutt > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnaud Héritier > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aheritier.net > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype : > > >>>>>>>>>>> aheritier > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People develop abstractions by generalizing from > > > > concrete > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> examples. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on > > > > paper > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> without > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually developing a running system is doomed to > > > > failure. No > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> one > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop > > > > it by > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> looking > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> you > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look at, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the more general your framework will be. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Frameworks > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> For > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > <javascript:;> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, "Impossible." The lamest of the lame excuses! > > > > Difficult > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> or > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impractical, or too expensive, but rarely is anything > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Yvon Chouinard, Let my People Go Surfing > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> - > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my phone > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Jason > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > > >>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > > >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > > >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> the course of true love never did run smooth ... > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> -- Shakespeare > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Jason > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > > >>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > > >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- Shakespeare > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Jason > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>> Jason van Zyl > > >>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > > >>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > >>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- Shakespeare > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> > > >>>> Jason > > >>>> > > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> Jason van Zyl > > >>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > > >>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > >>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> > > >>>> Be not afraid of growing slowly, be only afraid of standing still. > > >>>> > > >>>> -- Chinese Proverb > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > >>> > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Jason > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Jason van Zyl > > >> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > > >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > >> http://twitter.com/takari_io > > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> A master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction between his > > > > work and his play; his labor and his leisure; his mind and his body; his > > education and his recreation. He hardly knows which is which. He simply > > pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he is doing, and leaves > > others to determine whether he is working or playing. To himself, he > > always > > appears to be doing both. > > > > >> -- François-René de Chateaubriand > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > Mit freundlichem Gruß > > > Karl-Heinz Marbaise > > > -- > > > SoftwareEntwicklung Beratung Schulung Tel.: +49 (0) 2405 / 415 893 > > > Dipl.Ing.(FH) Karl-Heinz Marbaise ICQ#: 135949029 > > > Hauptstrasse 177 USt.IdNr: DE191347579 > > > 52146 Würselen http://www.soebes.de > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jason > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Jason van Zyl > > Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > > http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > http://twitter.com/takari_io > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > the course of true love never did run smooth ... > > > > -- Shakespeare > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
