Le mercredi 4 mars 2015 07:14:32 Jason van Zyl a écrit : > At this point we might as well just chat in the dev hangout tomorrow. +1
> Today > I'll focus on some more testing and documentation. where is the documentation you're working on, please? multiple eyes and brains can be useful (and I want to improve this part, since I didn't grasp yet what has been done in code) Regards, Hervé > On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarba...@gmx.de> wrote: > > Hi Jason, > > > > at the moment i have 09:00 o'clock pm ...(21:00 o'clock) CET... > > > > I'm available .... > > > > On 3/3/15 4:15 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > >> Today in the afternoon here I can be around after 20h. Yesterday didn't > >> work. Karl-Heinz what's your schedule looking like?>> > >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> wrote: > >>> I should be there (after 20h, Paris time) > >>> I'd like to improve docs on new features (like extensions model) > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Hervé > >>> > >>> Le dimanche 1 mars 2015 15:38:32 Jason van Zyl a écrit : > >>>> We can just sync up in IRC and pop in a hangout if people are > >>>> interested. > >>>> I'll sift through JIRA in the morning. I'm in California so I'll try to > >>>> get > >>>> up a bit earlier so it's not the end of your day by the time we get > >>>> around > >>>> to meeting. > >>>> > >>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarba...@gmx.de> wrote: > >>>>> Hi Jason, > >>>>> > >>>>> are those changes you made already public in branches? So it's > >>>>> possible to > >>>>> take a look into it... > >>>>> > >>>>> And a hangout tomorrow sounds great...I'm interested in... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Kind regards > >>>>> Karl Heinz > >>>>> > >>>>> On 3/1/15 10:06 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm done rebasing and merging my changes into master here locally. > >>>>>> But I > >>>>>> still have a day or two of testing and a day of writing > >>>>>> documentation. > >>>>>> There are also a couple APIs I'm not super happy with so I might > >>>>>> alter > >>>>>> those slightly before the final release. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So if anyone wants to jump in a hangout tomorrow to chat about other > >>>>>> bits > >>>>>> we want to try and do for 3.3.0 I'm game. I also need to go through > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> find all references to 3.2.6 and change them to 3.3.0. There are a > >>>>>> few > >>>>>> ITs that depend directly on 3.2.6-SNAPSHOT so all that needs to be > >>>>>> looked at as well. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So I think we're looking at a few more days if anyone wants to get in > >>>>>> small fixes.>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: > >>>>>>> Great, thanks. I'm just working away on the work I'd like to get in. > >>>>>>> So > >>>>>>> tentatively hope to be done this weekend.>>> > >>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Andreas Gudian > >>>>>>> <andreas.gud...@gmail.com> > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> I'm done with my changes (documented in MNG-5776), and it seems to > >>>>>>>> work > >>>>>>>> - > >>>>>>>> no at least the java process is started with the right parameters > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> no > >>>>>>>> script variables leak out into the cmd console... ;-) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> @Igor: thanks for checking up, I overlooked your second commit with > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> change of the VM-argument name. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2015-02-26 18:07 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>: > >>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Andreas Gudian > >>>>>>>>> <andreas.gud...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> I can handle that, but not before the weekend. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Jason, does that conflict with your schedule for the release? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> No dire rush on my side and I have two feature branches to merge > >>>>>>>>> anyway so > >>>>>>>>> take your time. Happy to have the help. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we just say that we drop the support for old Windows > >>>>>>>>>> versions > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0 and do the actual work that removes the support from the > >>>>>>>>>> bat > >>>>>>>>>> files > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> the next minor release? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I would imagine that no one out there cares for Windows 98/ME > >>>>>>>>>> anyway > >>>>>>>>>> ;-). > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015 schrieb Anders Hammar : > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Stephen Connolly < > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Anders Hammar > >>>>>>>>>>>> <and...@hammar.net > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing we could do to make stuff easier around these .bat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop support for this 4NT shell and Windows versions that are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> based > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NT (i.e. Windows 9x / ME). > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as Maven 3.2+ requires a minimum of JDK 1.6 there is no > >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> support anything that JDK 1.6 doesn't run on. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> If we are calling this 3.3.0 we can just say we have dropped > >>>>>>>>>>>> win > >>>>>>>>>>>> 9x/Me > >>>>>>>>>>>> support and the 4NT alternative command interpreter > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We should probably clearly state what we support in the > >>>>>>>>>>> System > >>>>>>>>>>> Requirements (both on-line and in distro). > >>>>>>>>>>> And a JIRA ticket to go with this is good for the release notes. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> /Anders > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any info about Oracle JDK 1.6, but Oracle JDK 1.7 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> requires a > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum of Windows Vista [1]. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find any info on openJDK's requirements. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> IBM J9 JDK 6 seems to require a minimum of Windows XP SP3 [2]. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/config-417990.ht > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ml > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/#!/SSYKE2_6.0.0/com. > >>>>>>>>> ibm. > >>>>>>>>> java.doc.60_26/vm626/GenericWrapper/hardwareandsoftwarerequirement > >>>>>>>>> s.ht > >>>>>>>>> ml>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Anders > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 19:38 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome, thanks! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Andreas Gudian < > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> andreas.gud...@gmail.com <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stuck with a windows box and I can give it a try... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bat-scripting is not really a joy, but what's in the patch > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translatable. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andreas > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 17:01 GMT+01:00 Igor Fedorenko > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <i...@ifedorenko.com > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see actual diff to mvn shell script in [1], but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> changes > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically two-fold. First, find nearest parent directory > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contains > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .mvn/ subdirectory. This parent is considered "true" > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> multi-module > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project root (MNG-1958). Second, if .mvn/java.config file > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> present > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately under the true multimodule project root, use > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> content > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java invocation parameters, i.e. similar to $MAVEN_OPTS > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> environment > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough about Windows scripting to make > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> change > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn.bat and mvnDebug.bat batch files. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=maven.git;a=commit;h= > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ed9a1caa8890773b45c6c408a4e40acf4f4b0fd > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-02-25 9:56, Robert Patrick wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the problem that Igor ran into that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Unix-only? Knowing this would help people determine > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> level > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort needed to solve the problem. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Patrick <robert.patr...@oracle.com <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VP, Oracle Corporation > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7460 Warren Pkwy, Ste. 300 Office: +1.972.963.2872 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frisco, TX 75034, USA Mobile: +1.469.556.9450 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professional Oracle WebLogic Server > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Robert Patrick, Gregory Nyberg, and Philip Aston > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Josh Bregman and Paul Done > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Book Home Page: http://www.wrox.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindle Version: http://www.amazon.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:ja...@takari.io > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>] > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:40 AM > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers List > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Maven 3.2.6 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Arnaud Héritier < > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> aherit...@gmail.com <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a quick look at the changeling and I'm +1 for a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements like the toolchain integration and few > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> far > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the project and won't veto anything as I have no > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5767 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated without a windows support ? For me it is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noone could help Igor on this ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great if someone would help, but it is still > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For projects that require this and document specific > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> requirements > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just work for non-Windows users. Say the project needs > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8gb to > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> run > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly: in most cases no one reads the documentation > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> run > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it fails. Then they go read something and figure it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've at least made it work for some people. If there > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't a > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> single > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer who uses Windows who can add the same > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a contributor I don't think it should stop the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> going > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the people it can benefit. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor and I don't use Windows regularly, don't know > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> don't > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know Windows and none of our customers use Windows. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's overall a net improvement. For me it's a about > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gradual > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've asked on Twitter if there are any Windows users > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many months/years ago the integration of colors in logs > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejected in a part because we wasn't confident in the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that was the issue. The issue was us not > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> able > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on an underlying logging framework. I've seen > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JANSI > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> working > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows for years. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Mark Derricutt < > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> m...@talios.com <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Feb 2015, at 4:06, Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on the list of changes i would suggest to make a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.6....to make clear something is introduced.... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on 3.3.0 here. Bring on the changes! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Derricutt > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theoryinpractice.net > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.chaliceofblood.net > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://plus.google.com/+MarkDerricutt > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/talios > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/mderricutt > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnaud Héritier > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aheritier.net > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype : > >>>>>>>>>>> aheritier > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> examples. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually developing a running system is doomed to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure. No > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> one > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it by > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> looking > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look at, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the more general your framework will be. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Frameworks > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> For > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, "Impossible." The lamest of the lame excuses! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Difficult > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impractical, or too expensive, but rarely is anything > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Yvon Chouinard, Let my People Go Surfing > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>> ---- > >>>>>>>>>>> - > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my phone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jason > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> the course of true love never did run smooth ... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- Shakespeare > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jason > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- Shakespeare > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> - > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jason > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > >>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- Shakespeare > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Jason > >>>> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > >>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> Be not afraid of growing slowly, be only afraid of standing still. > >>>> > >>>> -- Chinese Proverb > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Jason > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >> Jason van Zyl > >> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >> http://twitter.com/takari_io > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> A master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction between his work > >> and his play; his labor and his leisure; his mind and his body; his > >> education and his recreation. He hardly knows which is which. He simply > >> pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he is doing, and > >> leaves others to determine whether he is working or playing. To himself, > >> he always appears to be doing both.>> > >> -- François-René de Chateaubriand > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > Mit freundlichem Gruß > > Karl-Heinz Marbaise > > Thanks, > > Jason > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Jason van Zyl > Founder, Takari and Apache Maven > http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > http://twitter.com/takari_io > --------------------------------------------------------- > > happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will > elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come > and sit softly on your shoulder ... > > -- Thoreau > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
