Hi, I think Orchestra is kinda out of it's original scope, Mario and Simon couldn't resist and add many cool useful features like viewController, dynaForm and more that are not related to conversations and persistence.
Orchestra is becoming our alternative to seam, sev-en is a goodie right? So rather than a seperate project, I've no problem if it gets merged in Orchestra, just my 2 cents, it's up to further discussion. Cagatay On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Kito D. Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > *From:* Gerhard Petracek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2008 2:47 PM > *To:* MyFaces Development; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Subject:* Re: [proposal] jsf validation with annotations > > > > hello kito, > > you can put every extension into a "commons" module. > > I see what you're saying. I suppose the main issue is the size of the > module, and the number of perceived users. > > To be honest, I think Tomahawk is a better place for it, since Tomahawk > contains a lot of stuff that belongs in the JSF core, like some basic > validators. > > orchestra is about conversations and persistence > and > sev-en is about validation (simple and cross-component validation) > at the moment i'm not aware of the difference. > > it might be ok to put specific sev-en annotation modules into the commons > module (as i said - they are independent of the sev-en core). > > regards, > gerhard > > > 2008/4/4, Kito D. Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Gerhard, > > > > Actually, it's different. Commons is a collection of useful utilities and > features. Think of it in terms of the Apache Commons. Orchestra is about > conversations and persistence contexts. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Kito D. Mann - Author, JavaServer Faces in Action > http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and mentoring > http://www.JSFCentral.com <http://www.jsfcentral.com/> - JavaServer Faces > FAQ, news, and info > phone: +1 203-653-2989 > fax: +1 203-653-2988 > > > > *From:* Gerhard Petracek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2008 12:56 PM > *To:* MyFaces Development > *Subject:* Re: [proposal] jsf validation with annotations > > > > hello leonardo, > > concerning myfaces-commons-sev-en: > i don't agree. it's similar if you suggest to merge myfaces-orchestra with > myfaces-commons. - in my opinion that's not a good idea. > sev-en should stay independent! > > + commons-sev-en sounds strage. :) > (the pronunciation isn't [sev] ... [en] - it's like the 7 in english) > > regards, > gerhard > > 2008/4/4, Leonardo Uribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I have tried the demo on my workstation, and in my opinion is a very cool > idea and this should be on myfaces :) > > The idea of include with myfaces-commons sounds better that put this on > orchestra (someone could want to use this only). Maybe > myfaces-commons-sev-en. > > regards > > Leonardo Uribe > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Gerhard Petracek < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hello andrew, > > sev-en is completely independent of orchestra or the idea behind it. > > regards, > gerhard > > 2008/4/4, Andrew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Since this is currently supported in Seam and Orchestra is a Seam > spin-off/clone, perhaps this should be incorporated into Orchestra > instead of yet another project. > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Gerhard Petracek > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > sev-en is a new jsf-extension. > > > > > > sev-en allows jsf validation with annotations! > > > > > > some central features: > > > - cross-component validation (including cross-entity validation) > > > - support for jpa based validation > > > - zero configuration > > > - extensible (e.g. custom annotations) > > > > > > you will find some previews (descriptions [1], examples [2] and much > more) > > > at the sev-en section [3] of my new open source blog. > > > > > > what's your opinion about this extension? > > > > sounds interesting. Is that levering the "bean validation" JSR ? > > Would be cool to have a little bit more standard oriented validation > > "framework". > > Otherwise (IMO) that would be just something similar to @Hibernate's > validators > > (used heavily in Seam) > > > > -M > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > gerhard > > > > > > [1] http://os890.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-jsf-extension.html > > > [2] > http://os890.blogspot.com/2008/04/sev-en-preview-short-example.html > > > [3] http://os890.blogspot.com/search/label/sev-en > > > > > > -- > > > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > > Courses in English and German > > > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > -- > > Matthias Wessendorf > > > > further stuff: > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > -- > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >
