hello cagatay, i see your point. however, i don't agree. to keep it short: i don't like the idea to restrict sev-en to orchestra.
don't get me wrong - orchestra is really great! however, it isn't alone out there. (e.g. spring web flow and much more) if sev-en is a goody or not is in the eye of the beholder. i would say e.g.: the possible jpa support is a goody of sev-en. (the core of sev-en doesn't depend on jpa or something else. the core depends only on the jsf api and at the moment on commons-logging ;)) regards, gerhard 2008/4/4, Cagatay Civici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, > > I think Orchestra is kinda out of it's original scope, Mario and Simon > couldn't resist and add many cool useful features like viewController, > dynaForm and more that are not related to conversations and persistence. > > Orchestra is becoming our alternative to seam, sev-en is a goodie right? > So rather than a seperate project, I've no problem if it gets merged in > Orchestra, just my 2 cents, it's up to further discussion. > > Cagatay > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Kito D. Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > *From:* Gerhard Petracek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2008 2:47 PM > > *To:* MyFaces Development; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *Subject:* Re: [proposal] jsf validation with annotations > > > > > > > > hello kito, > > > > you can put every extension into a "commons" module. > > > > I see what you're saying. I suppose the main issue is the size of the > > module, and the number of perceived users. > > > > To be honest, I think Tomahawk is a better place for it, since Tomahawk > > contains a lot of stuff that belongs in the JSF core, like some basic > > validators. > > > > orchestra is about conversations and persistence > > and > > sev-en is about validation (simple and cross-component validation) > > at the moment i'm not aware of the difference. > > > > it might be ok to put specific sev-en annotation modules into the > > commons module (as i said - they are independent of the sev-en core). > > > > regards, > > gerhard > > > > > > 2008/4/4, Kito D. Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Gerhard, > > > > > > > > Actually, it's different. Commons is a collection of useful utilities > > and features. Think of it in terms of the Apache Commons. Orchestra is about > > conversations and persistence contexts. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Kito D. Mann - Author, JavaServer Faces in Action > > http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and mentoring > > http://www.JSFCentral.com <http://www.jsfcentral.com/> - JavaServer > > Faces FAQ, news, and info > > phone: +1 203-653-2989 > > fax: +1 203-653-2988 > > > > > > > > *From:* Gerhard Petracek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2008 12:56 PM > > *To:* MyFaces Development > > *Subject:* Re: [proposal] jsf validation with annotations > > > > > > > > hello leonardo, > > > > concerning myfaces-commons-sev-en: > > i don't agree. it's similar if you suggest to merge myfaces-orchestra > > with myfaces-commons. - in my opinion that's not a good idea. > > sev-en should stay independent! > > > > + commons-sev-en sounds strage. :) > > (the pronunciation isn't [sev] ... [en] - it's like the 7 in english) > > > > regards, > > gerhard > > > > 2008/4/4, Leonardo Uribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > I have tried the demo on my workstation, and in my opinion is a very > > cool idea and this should be on myfaces :) > > > > The idea of include with myfaces-commons sounds better that put this on > > orchestra (someone could want to use this only). Maybe > > myfaces-commons-sev-en. > > > > regards > > > > Leonardo Uribe > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Gerhard Petracek < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > hello andrew, > > > > sev-en is completely independent of orchestra or the idea behind it. > > > > regards, > > gerhard > > > > 2008/4/4, Andrew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Since this is currently supported in Seam and Orchestra is a Seam > > spin-off/clone, perhaps this should be incorporated into Orchestra > > instead of yet another project. > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Gerhard Petracek > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > sev-en is a new jsf-extension. > > > > > > > > sev-en allows jsf validation with annotations! > > > > > > > > some central features: > > > > - cross-component validation (including cross-entity validation) > > > > - support for jpa based validation > > > > - zero configuration > > > > - extensible (e.g. custom annotations) > > > > > > > > you will find some previews (descriptions [1], examples [2] and > > much more) > > > > at the sev-en section [3] of my new open source blog. > > > > > > > > what's your opinion about this extension? > > > > > > sounds interesting. Is that levering the "bean validation" JSR ? > > > Would be cool to have a little bit more standard oriented validation > > > "framework". > > > Otherwise (IMO) that would be just something similar to @Hibernate's > > validators > > > (used heavily in Seam) > > > > > > -M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > gerhard > > > > > > > > [1] http://os890.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-jsf-extension.html > > > > [2] > > http://os890.blogspot.com/2008/04/sev-en-preview-short-example.html > > > > [3] http://os890.blogspot.com/search/label/sev-en > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > > > Courses in English and German > > > > > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Matthias Wessendorf > > > > > > further stuff: > > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > > > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > > > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > Courses in English and German > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > Courses in English and German > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > Courses in English and German > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
