Defaults are not working for everyone. Everyone is different as we can see in the discussions. Everytime they say: yes we make them as default, a lot of people are complaining and didn’t get heard. We need more options for that. And for this discussion we already have options, now we need to check where does it make sense. We are talking about developer experience and yes the installer ist not the right place, because we already have portable NetBeans as a zip archive w/o any installer and it should work the same.
Von: Eirik Bakke Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 16:20 An: dev@netbeans.apache.org Betreff: RE: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13? I'd say, avoid customization in both the installer and on startup. It's a lot better to have a robust discussion about defaults here, and then stick to whatever we decide. There are hundreds of options that can be customized, and there is real value-add in _not_ requiring the user (especially new users) to know about or touch them. We also don't want a situation where we end up having two different user interfaces for setting the same options. A user that changed the LAF from a startup dialog or installer would then have to find and use a _different_ user interface (the Options dialog) to change it again later. -- Eirik -----Original Message----- From: Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 4:53 AM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13? On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 at 08:32, Jaroslav Tulach <jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com> wrote: > NetBeans IDE was always keen on to work "out of the box" - e.g. as > little dialogs on 1st start as possible. If you want prior launch > customization, put it into installer. But what is the difference? In general, I agree with you. This thread has gone on a bit of a tangent, which is about a default that works better out of the box. I don't think we need a dialog for this option. I do think we need to fix up the current dialogs, and probably look at putting some of this stuff on a revamped start page. However, the problem with putting options in the installers is the assumption that everyone uses them. And that there's a one-to-one relationship between installation and userdir. Neither applies. Whatever we do should work however people get hold of and run the IDE. I also think NBI either needs a lot of work or replacing. I'm in the latter camp, obviously! :-) Best wishes, Neil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
