This discussion is going no where fast, how about we back track to Andrew's last email and start actually discussing the design. Nothing is being foisted on anybody.

Regards
Scott

On 2/05/2009, at 2:19 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:


--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Anil Patel <anil.pa...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
This is one of the big reasons what I love and hate
community driven software. I don't see how what Andrew
did is bad. Even though it was personal communication but I
know Andrew only started after Adrian and Jacques showed
interest by commenting on the page.

The only interest I showed was that I agreed that OFBiz security could use improvement, and I suggested he use a third party library. I did not endorse or approve of his design.

Andrew has been actively explaining his idea all this time.

As I demonstrated in another reply, no he did not. Only a few days went by between introducing the idea and committing code.

The work done till date is not blocking anybody, old
security system is still in place. New system is implemented
in example component so its lot easy for him to explain and
people to understand.

What if the new work is a bad design? How will we know that until everyone has had time to evaluate it?

People have different ways of working in community, Joe is
committer still all the time he creates Jira issue and
uploads his patch and most of time its somebody else who
does commits, but that's his way of working. If we
don't do what Joe does then why should Andrew do what
Adrian does.

As far as I know, Joe submits patches for things he doesn't have commit rights to.

I don't see any reason why we should start over.

Do you see a reason why we shouldn't? Will the project suffer immensely if we pause and wait for others to comment? Is there some catastrophe looming that requires us to rush this through?

All
the time we talk about making things easy so people will
contribute, Why do you want to resist a seasoned contributer
for working. I'll rather have expect community will
support. All the time he has been asking people to tell him
suggestions, wish list etc. Why not support him and get more
out of him instead.

If we can't invite the community to participate - as I suggested - then that only proves what I suspect - that this is a design that is being foisted on the community.

-Adrian





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