Hans,

I share some of the frustration Tim expressed, but at the same time I really 
appreciate the valuable contributions your company has made to the project.

All I would ask is that you spend a little more time reviewing code and testing 
it before committing it.

-Adrian

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Hans Bakker <mailingl...@antwebsystems.com> wrote:

> From: Hans Bakker <mailingl...@antwebsystems.com>
> Subject: Working together. was: plans are nice, but what then?
> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:14 PM
> Tim,
> 
> Let me first say that i appreciate the things you and your
> people have
> done to OFbiz but is that a reason to write such a flame
> message? Yes i
> know you contributed a lot similar to what we (I and my
> people) have
> done.
> 
> However it sure looks like we have a different focus
> supporting OFBiz, I
> am most interested filling the functional gaps that exist
> in the system,
> you seem to have most interest in improving existing
> functions and
> presentation and html/css.
> 
> Doesn't that fit together well?
> 
> Most (all?) of the comments of you and your people i have
> implemented.
> 
> So lets stop this flame, i can already tell you that if you
> find a
> wrongly named variable or a few styles in some ftl code,
> you sure can
> mention them to me and we will try to correct it and we are
> not offended
> if you correct it yourself....
> 
> lets work together,
> 
> regards,
> Hans
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 08:43 -0600, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> > Agreed, the SFA system definitely needs a lot of love
> and hopefully  
> > with additional discussion going on in the community
> we can get some  
> > more traction on that.  At this point, we are
> using it internally, but  
> > haven't had enough time to spend on enhancing this
> application to the  
> > fullest.
> > 
> > First of all, company based attacks will not be
> tolerated my friend -  
> > please stop it, it makes you look bad and continues to
> erode faith.   
> > This is me coming after you for your carelessness, has
> nothing to do  
> > with my company, so feel free to remember that before
> you slop this up  
> > here.  But if you'd like to talk about
> contributions and what _we've_  
> > been doing, here you go.
> > 
> > Instead of working on SFA, which btw hasn't seemed to
> be a have a huge  
> > push from the community, we've been spending our time
> and money  
> > working on rebranding the applications, enhancing the
> accounting  
> > application, cleaning up all of the amazingly outdated
> HTML in the  
> > system, adding additional tests to enhance stability,
> adding and  
> > cleaning up lots of integrations, and adding features
> to the eCommerce  
> > application where they were lacking.  Would you
> like me to list all of  
> > those and the commit messages to go along with them or
> can we agree  
> > that they would dwarf the garbage you've thrown out
> below?
> > 
> > The other thing we spend a lot of time on is cleaning
> up your code and  
> > ensuring that your flippant commits don't hurt the
> system. This slight  
> > of hand to look at the grossly neglected SFA system is
> a cute  
> > distraction, but remember the point - you are not
> following the best  
> > practices laid down by the community - not our company
> - and if you  
> > continue you to - I can't imagine why you'd be able to
> be given the  
> > power to keep doing it.
> > 
> > Do your work, help the community, follow the
> guidelines, or stop  
> > wasting everyone's time.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Ruppert
> > 
> > On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> > 
> > > Can we expect any results on this?
> > >
> > > OBIZ-1644 Screens to manage Calendar in SFA
> webapp
> > > Anil K Patel 14/Feb/08
> > >
> > > OFBIZ-1645 Screens to manage Forecast in SFA
> webapp
> > > Anil K Patel 15/Feb/08
> > >
> > > OFBIZ-2364 Competitors & Partners - Sales
> Force Automation component
> > > Vikas Mayur 27/Apr/09
> > >
> > > OFBIZ-2363 Improvements in Sales Force Automation
> component
> > > Vikas Mayur 27/Apr/09
> > >
> > > OFBIZ-2363 Improvements in "Contact" Screens
> > > Ashish Vijaywargiya 27/Apr/09
> > >
> > > OFBIZ-2363 Improvements in "Lead" Screens
> > > Ashish Vijaywargiya 27/Apr/09
> > >
> > > OFBIZ-2427 Cases - Sales Force Automation
> component
> > > Ashish Vijaywargiya 06/May/09
> > >
> > > Some systems only got successful having CRM/SFA
> as one of the major
> > > components......
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com :
> > > Quality OFBiz support for competitive rates....
> > >
> > 
> -- 
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive
> rates
> 
> 



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