From: "Scott Gray" <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com>
On 7/12/2009, at 10:05 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Please Scott,
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From: "Scott Gray" <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com>
I disagree, there always have been and always will be bugs in OFBiz, there is no escaping this fact. The only reason there
are more bugs now than there were 3 years ago is because there is more community activity. Fixing the bugs in jira will not
prevent new bugs from replacing them (and some of the replacements will be the same bugs we just fixed).
Don't misundersand me. I'm not worried about new bugs. I totally understand
that this is intrinsic nature of software.
My point is only for us to give more love to these 109 issues waiting
attention in Jira, nothing else...
I'm saying it's pointless giving them any love without writing tests for those bugs first. Every code change (even bug fixes)
carries the risk of introducing new bugs and the only thing we can do to reduce that risk is to write tests. Without tests the
number of bugs in jira will never do anything but increase.
Scott,
As I already said, I completly agree contiuous integration with tests running is the right way to go. We have already some tests,
and for instance Ashish have got some work from them...
I see Gavin is currently working for us (commits in infra) and we are some to
push to have all things on ASF servers soon.
BTW I think this means more work for us on the future as I guess we will have
any less help than with Contegix...
But I don't agree that this should prevent us to fix existing bugs in the
meantime...
Jacques
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IMO the best thing we can do for the stability of the project is to create tests every time we create or modify a service, be
it during a bug fix or while implementing new functionality. Doing so locks in the desired behavior and prevents anyone
from unknowingly changing that behavior.
Yes, I plenty agree
Even without intervention, bugs naturally get fixed over time as people come to require the functionality being blocked by the
bug, the key is to do everything we can to reduce the number of new bugs being created.
I totally agree, I can agree more I should say. i think I should have used "Opened
important Jira issues" as subject :/
Jacques
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Regards
Scott
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
On 7/12/2009, at 8:49 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Thi is all great,
Put please ladies/gents don't get out of subject.
I still think the 1st step is to fix the bugs we know exist, are documented in Jira and even ready to be fixed with patches
for some.
Jacques
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From: "Anil Patel" <anil.pa...@hotwaxmedia.com>
We do see some great Ideas around what is needed. There was lot of conversation on this topic in ApacheCon 2008 and then in
2009 (based on messages on list).
You will be surprised there is lot done. We have seen lot of activity in documenting business processes and end user
documentation.
More recently David proposed a simple system derived from Ofbiz that will
address needs of small business.
We have lot more Ofbiz technical contributors then Business process knowledge contributors. It will be really nice if people
in this part of community will step up. It will be nice if business users or power business users who are technical
developers as well started to take part of requirement documents and add to UBPL or EZBIZ effort.
If users can document their business processes needs, give some wireframe help then technical developers will be able to
help map them to OOTB features (Gap Analysis).
Unless we get real business requirements documents coming from user community
there is no way for us to fulfill them.
I hope you understand I am not asking anybody to break NDA or whatever.
Thanks and Regards
Anil Patel
HotWax Media Inc
Find us on the web at www.hotwaxmedia.com or Google Keyword "ofbiz"
On Dec 6, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Cimballi wrote:
Hi devs,
Here my opinion about the subject.
To make things clear, it makes about 3-4 month I am working with
OFBiz, using it to implement a project.
I thing one way to have more people involved in the project is to
lower the "difficulty level" required to understand OFBiz.
And for this there are several possbilities, and I will focus on two :
- modularize the project
- more functional documentation inside the source files
Modularize the project
I've seen this subject has already been discussed and I think it can
profit to the project in several points :
- more modules means less code in each module, which means modules are
eaiser to understand, which means more developer may be interesting to
participate to its development, test, ... There is at least one
obvious module which could be very interesting to externalize, it's
the entity engine. I don't know so much OFBiz architecture but I think
it should be possible to externalize this module and a lot of projects
totally different of OFBiz could be interesting in it, and so
potentially a lot more developers to maintain and enhance it.
- on another side, more modules would also make it easier to
distribute the issues, each developer specialized on a specific
module. Maybe it's already the case...
More functional documentation inside the source files
Here my feeling is that with OFBiz, you really requires both technical
and functional knowledge to understand how the project work. Some part
like the entity engine are purely technical, but the order module for
example is really functional, I mean, you need to know a lot about how
ordering works in a company to be able to use the module and even more
to custommize or propose enhancements to it. So, with more
documentation in the source files, like the XML entity files, and then
in the source code for example explaining what a method concretly does
may help a lot to understand OFBiz. It seems the link David sent about
UBML is about his.
Here is my feeling about OFBiz as a fresh developers. I try to
participate to the project at least by providing bug reports, I still
feel for away from providing patches ! :-)
Hope this will help you, devs, the project is already great, let's
make it more accessible !
Cimballi
