It does seem that way for sure - so as I said, the only decision we have left is whether or not you should reup at NetSol or if you want to get out of it - sending it to Jacopo so that he can ensure it migrates smoothly. Whatever works on your end is fine - I'll be happy to support the transition either way and get the information staged at the ASF before we pull the trigger on the transfer.
Cheers, Ruppert On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:53 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > Thanks for the update Tim. > > It sounds like no matter what we're not going to see any quick action on this. > > -David > > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and >> myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we >> switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote >> before. They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it >> gets lost because they are not sure if they can dive in. >> >> There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out >> straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra >> in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO. >> >> --- >> >>> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private >>> lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list: >>> >>> Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and >>> David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another >>> year. >>> >>> Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs >>> to take the action (i.e. not trademarks@). >>> >>> I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method >>> for tracking things: >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625 >>> >>>> Upayavira, >>>> >>>> please see my comments inline: >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jacopo, >>>>> >>>>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you >>>>> didn't see my reply. >>>> >>>> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this. >>>> >>>>> I said: >>>>> >>>>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this >>>>> for you (but over at infrastructure@). >>>>> >>>>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait >>>>> for probably a month after renewal. >>>> >>>> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; >>>> the important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone >>>> else. >>>> >>>>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't >>>>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even >>>>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account." >>>>> >>>>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this >>>>> point anyhow. >>>>> >>>>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate >>>>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary >>>>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right. >>>> >>>> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we >>>> will do all the required steps. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred. >>>>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having >>>>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred >>>>> option. >>>> >>>> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply >>>> redirect to ofbiz.apache.org >>>> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of >>>> the ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the >>>> community. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Jacopo >>> >> >> Cheers, >> Ruppert >> >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote: >> >>> >>> As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at >>> least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the >>> emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came >>> through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and >>> that makes communication problems more likely. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>> >>>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: >>>> >>>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. >>>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away >>>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can >>>> manage it >>>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the >>>> services :( >>>> - This will be important IMO. >>>> - The services that would be migrated would be: >>>> -- DNS >>>> -- Apache redirects >>>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. >>>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have >>>> everything already setup. >>>> - This will lead to less headaches. >>>> >>>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would >>>> still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC >>>> chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to >>>> keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to >>>> the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the >>>> domain. >>>> >>>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all >>>> know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - >>>> and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host >>>> files are already in place. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ruppert >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some >>>>>> effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the >>>>>> point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. >>>>>> It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve >>>>>> the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that >>>>>> the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take >>>>> action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find >>>>> another good solution together. >>>>> >>>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is >>>>>> interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in >>>>>> front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt >>>>>> and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! >>>>>> Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on >>>>>> it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an >>>>>> "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special >>>>>> thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've >>>>>> just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same >>>>>> umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) >>>>> >>>>> This is really great! >>>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. >>>>> >>>>> Jacopo >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having >>>>>>> to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before >>>>>>> - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing >>>>>>> things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all >>>>>>> the way thru. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I >>>>>>> think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an >>>>>>>>> interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a >>>>>>>>> few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually >>>>>>>>> gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, >>>>>>>>> sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to >>>>>>>>> be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate >>>>>>>> effort. >>>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>>>>>> in the larger picture? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>>>>>> e...@brainfood.com >>>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
