Thanks for the update Tim. It sounds like no matter what we're not going to see any quick action on this.
-David On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and > myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we > switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote before. > They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it gets lost > because they are not sure if they can dive in. > > There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out > straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra > in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO. > > --- > >> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private >> lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list: >> >> Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and >> David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another year. >> >> Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs to >> take the action (i.e. not trademarks@). >> >> I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method for >> tracking things: >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625 >> >>> Upayavira, >>> >>> please see my comments inline: >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote: >>> >>>> Jacopo, >>>> >>>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you >>>> didn't see my reply. >>> >>> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this. >>> >>>> I said: >>>> >>>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this >>>> for you (but over at infrastructure@). >>>> >>>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait >>>> for probably a month after renewal. >>> >>> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; the >>> important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone else. >>> >>>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't >>>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even >>>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account." >>>> >>>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this >>>> point anyhow. >>>> >>>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate >>>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary >>>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right. >>> >>> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we >>> will do all the required steps. >>> >>>> >>>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred. >>>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having >>>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred >>>> option. >>> >>> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply >>> redirect to ofbiz.apache.org >>> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of the >>> ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the >>> community. >>> >>>> >>>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed. >>>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Jacopo >> > > Cheers, > Ruppert > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at >> least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the >> emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came >> through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and >> that makes communication problems more likely. >> >> -David >> >> >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >> >>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: >>> >>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. >>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away >>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can >>> manage it >>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the >>> services :( >>> - This will be important IMO. >>> - The services that would be migrated would be: >>> -- DNS >>> -- Apache redirects >>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. >>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have >>> everything already setup. >>> - This will lead to less headaches. >>> >>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would >>> still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC >>> chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to >>> keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to >>> the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the >>> domain. >>> >>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all >>> know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - >>> and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host >>> files are already in place. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ruppert >>> >>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>> >>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some >>>>> effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point >>>>> is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It >>>>> would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the >>>>> issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the >>>>> DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take >>>> action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find >>>> another good solution together. >>>> >>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is >>>>> interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in >>>>> front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt >>>>> and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! >>>>> Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on >>>>> it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an >>>>> "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special >>>>> thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've >>>>> just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same >>>>> umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) >>>> >>>> This is really great! >>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. >>>> >>>> Jacopo >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to >>>>>> mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it >>>>>> doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things >>>>>> and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way >>>>>> thru. >>>>>> >>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I >>>>>> think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim >>>>>>>> solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks >>>>>>>> and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed >>>>>>>> forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David >>>>>>>> should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people >>>>>>>> looking to spend money on it .... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>>>>> in the larger picture? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>>>>> e...@brainfood.com >>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
