Agreed. I don't know anyone that updates a production server directly from a development trunk, especially not a community driven open-source development trunk.
Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Bruno Busco wrote: > The theme will still be present in the 10.04 releases. > No production servers should rely on trunk. > > -Bruno > > 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman <bjf...@free-man.net> > >> I have one that uses the flat grey as default >> so if I do an update from the svn the flat grey will and my customization >> disappear. >> >> my sas uses all those in the themes, with my modification. >> they will be removed. when the svn update is run. >> >> those are just a few examples. >> >> >> ========================= >> BJ Freeman >> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation < >> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >> >> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >> >> >> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:00 PM: >> >> I am sorry, BJ, I do not see your point. >>> >>> What could be the issue? >>> We will have less themes to maintain in the trunk (just Flat Grey, >>> Tomahawk, >>> Default and Multiflex). >>> We will have more people that will be able to maintain additional themes >>> in >>> the Themes Gallery. >>> >>> Production servers will have each one its selected theme (one of the OOTB, >>> one of the Themes Gallery or a customized version of them). >>> >>> -Bruno >>> >>> 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman<bjf...@free-man.net> >>> >>> how about those that are using ofbiz for SAS and will have many themes >>>> for >>>> their clients. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 12:51 PM: >>>> >>>> Yes, having more than one theme in the trunk was originally accepted in >>>>> >>>>> order to use and show the visual theme selection feature OOTB. >>>>> Actually Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and Tomahawk are one the evolution >>>>> of >>>>> the other. >>>>> Each time we decided to create a new theme instead of replacing the one >>>>> existing just to avoid problems to users. >>>>> >>>>> My proposal is to remove Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and BizznessTime >>>>> from >>>>> the trunk and put them in a separate themes repository as suggested by >>>>> Ryan. >>>>> Remove the actual version of the Flat Grey from the trunk and put it in >>>>> the >>>>> themes repository. >>>>> Improve the Flat Grey theme in the trunk with the work you guys are >>>>> doing. >>>>> >>>>> In this way we will have in the trunk two themes for the backend (Actual >>>>> FlatGrey and Tomahawk) and two themes for the ecommerce (Default and >>>>> Multiflex). >>>>> In the themes repository there will be Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs, >>>>> BizznessTime and the actual FlatGrey. >>>>> It could be a nice start for the theme repository (and gallery) start. >>>>> >>>>> -Bruno >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2011/1/6 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>> >>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> inline... >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the >>>>>>>>> themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the >>>>>>>>> BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my" >>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>> anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that >>>>>>>>> was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to >>>>>>>>> build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood, >>>>>>>>> and other members of the the OFBiz community. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you were one >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> "fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much >>>>>>>> at the beginning, my apologies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly >>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into >>>>>>>>> independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> much more active role in the community in the months and >>>>>>>>> years ahead. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's really a good, very good news! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that >>>>>>>>> individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance >>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> new theme has been added to the trunk is that not >>>>>>>>> everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual >>>>>>>>> contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, >>>>>>>>> collaboration, >>>>>>>>> etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own >>>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking parts >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>> as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to >>>>>>>> become committer), opinions? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. >>>>>>> With >>>>>>> Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is >>>>>>> included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes >>>>>>> that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on >>>>>>> there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 >>>>>>> release you can even search for new themes and install them >>>>>>> automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way >>>>>>> fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of >>>>>>> these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a >>>>>>> handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize >>>>>>> there contributions by offering "premium" themes and plugins. In >>>>>>> fact, >>>>>>> there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress >>>>>>> community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. >>>>>>> This furthers solidifies the base of support for the >>>>>>> project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom >>>>>>> development. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is >>>>>> unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we >>>>>> should >>>>>> not try... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey >>>>>>>>> visual >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will >>>>>>>>>> get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix >>>>>>>>>> something, >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could >>>>>>>>>> fix it, etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ryan, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your screen copies at >>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>>>>>>>>>> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to >>>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what >>>>>>>>>>> happened >>>>>>>>>>> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >>>>>>>>>>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. >>>>>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>>>>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >>>>>>>>>>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> 1st >>>>>>>>>>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. >>>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>> choice the name! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>>>>>>>>>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>>>>>>>>>>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>>>>>>>>>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> long run. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>>>>>>>>>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>>>>>>>>>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>>>>>>>>>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you >>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>>>>>>>>>>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly >>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>>>>>>>>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey >>>>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>>>>>>>>>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and >>>>>>>>>>>> customization. >>>>>>>>>>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like >>>>>>>>>>>> pieces >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux< >>>>>>>>>>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp<sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux"<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fallback >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>
