Sorry, my last response sounded a bit arrogant after I re-read it. My apologies to anyone who might actually be doing this. I just personally feel like that is not a good idea. Way too many unknown variables on a day to day basis. Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Ryan Foster wrote: > Agreed. I don't know anyone that updates a production server directly from a > development trunk, especially not a community driven open-source development > trunk. > > Ryan L. Foster > 801.671.0769 > cont...@ryanlfoster.com > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Bruno Busco wrote: > >> The theme will still be present in the 10.04 releases. >> No production servers should rely on trunk. >> >> -Bruno >> >> 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman <bjf...@free-man.net> >> >>> I have one that uses the flat grey as default >>> so if I do an update from the svn the flat grey will and my customization >>> disappear. >>> >>> my sas uses all those in the themes, with my modification. >>> they will be removed. when the svn update is run. >>> >>> those are just a few examples. >>> >>> >>> ========================= >>> BJ Freeman >>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation < >>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>> >>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>> >>> >>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:00 PM: >>> >>> I am sorry, BJ, I do not see your point. >>>> >>>> What could be the issue? >>>> We will have less themes to maintain in the trunk (just Flat Grey, >>>> Tomahawk, >>>> Default and Multiflex). >>>> We will have more people that will be able to maintain additional themes >>>> in >>>> the Themes Gallery. >>>> >>>> Production servers will have each one its selected theme (one of the OOTB, >>>> one of the Themes Gallery or a customized version of them). >>>> >>>> -Bruno >>>> >>>> 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman<bjf...@free-man.net> >>>> >>>> how about those that are using ofbiz for SAS and will have many themes >>>>> for >>>>> their clients. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 12:51 PM: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, having more than one theme in the trunk was originally accepted in >>>>>> >>>>>> order to use and show the visual theme selection feature OOTB. >>>>>> Actually Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and Tomahawk are one the evolution >>>>>> of >>>>>> the other. >>>>>> Each time we decided to create a new theme instead of replacing the one >>>>>> existing just to avoid problems to users. >>>>>> >>>>>> My proposal is to remove Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and BizznessTime >>>>>> from >>>>>> the trunk and put them in a separate themes repository as suggested by >>>>>> Ryan. >>>>>> Remove the actual version of the Flat Grey from the trunk and put it in >>>>>> the >>>>>> themes repository. >>>>>> Improve the Flat Grey theme in the trunk with the work you guys are >>>>>> doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> In this way we will have in the trunk two themes for the backend (Actual >>>>>> FlatGrey and Tomahawk) and two themes for the ecommerce (Default and >>>>>> Multiflex). >>>>>> In the themes repository there will be Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs, >>>>>> BizznessTime and the actual FlatGrey. >>>>>> It could be a nice start for the theme repository (and gallery) start. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/1/6 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> inline... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacques, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the >>>>>>>>>> themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the >>>>>>>>>> BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my" >>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>> anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that >>>>>>>>>> was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to >>>>>>>>>> build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood, >>>>>>>>>> and other members of the the OFBiz community. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you were one >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> "fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much >>>>>>>>> at the beginning, my apologies. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly >>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into >>>>>>>>>> independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> much more active role in the community in the months and >>>>>>>>>> years ahead. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's really a good, very good news! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a >>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that >>>>>>>>>> individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance >>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> new theme has been added to the trunk is that not >>>>>>>>>> everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual >>>>>>>>>> contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, >>>>>>>>>> collaboration, >>>>>>>>>> etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own >>>>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking parts >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>> as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to >>>>>>>>> become committer), opinions? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. >>>>>>>> With >>>>>>>> Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is >>>>>>>> included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes >>>>>>>> that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on >>>>>>>> there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 >>>>>>>> release you can even search for new themes and install them >>>>>>>> automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way >>>>>>>> fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of >>>>>>>> these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a >>>>>>>> handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize >>>>>>>> there contributions by offering "premium" themes and plugins. In >>>>>>>> fact, >>>>>>>> there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress >>>>>>>> community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. >>>>>>>> This furthers solidifies the base of support for the >>>>>>>> project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom >>>>>>>> development. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is >>>>>>> unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> not try... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey >>>>>>>>>> visual >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will >>>>>>>>>>> get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix >>>>>>>>>>> something, >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could >>>>>>>>>>> fix it, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ryan, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your screen copies at >>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>>>>>>>>>>> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to >>>>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what >>>>>>>>>>>> happened >>>>>>>>>>>> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >>>>>>>>>>>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having >>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. >>>>>>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>>>>>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >>>>>>>>>>>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> 1st >>>>>>>>>>>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. >>>>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>>> choice the name! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>>>>>>>>>>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>>>>>>>>>>>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>>>>>>>>>>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> long run. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you >>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly >>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>>>>>>>>>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey >>>>>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>>>>>>>>>>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and >>>>>>>>>>>>> customization. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like >>>>>>>>>>>>> pieces >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux< >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp<sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux"<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fallback >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >
