+1. I think that is a good start. Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "Bruno Busco" <bruno.bu...@gmail.com> >> Yes, having more than one theme in the trunk was originally accepted in >> order to use and show the visual theme selection feature OOTB. >> Actually Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and Tomahawk are one the evolution of >> the other. >> Each time we decided to create a new theme instead of replacing the one >> existing just to avoid problems to users. >> My proposal is to remove Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and BizznessTime from >> the trunk and put them in a separate themes repository as suggested by Ryan. >> Remove the actual version of the Flat Grey from the trunk and put it in the >> themes repository. >> Improve the Flat Grey theme in the trunk with the work you guys are doing. >> In this way we will have in the trunk two themes for the backend (Actual >> FlatGrey and Tomahawk) and two themes for the ecommerce (Default and >> Multiflex). >> In the themes repository there will be Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs, >> BizznessTime and the actual FlatGrey. >> It could be a nice start for the theme repository (and gallery) start. >> -Bruno > > Sounds like a plan! > > Jacques >> 2011/1/6 Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>> >>>> inline... >>>> >>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>> 801.671.0769 >>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>> >>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> >>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jacques, >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the >>>>>> themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the >>>>>> BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my" theme >>>>>> anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that >>>>>> was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to >>>>>> build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood, >>>>>> and other members of the the OFBiz community. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you were one of the >>>>> "fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much >>>>> at the beginning, my apologies. >>>>> >>>>> At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly over >>>>>> the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into >>>>>> independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking a >>>>>> much more active role in the community in the months and >>>>>> years ahead. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's really a good, very good news! >>>>> >>>>> As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a good >>>>>> idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that >>>>>> individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance once a >>>>>> new theme has been added to the trunk is that not >>>>>> everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process of >>>>>> maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual >>>>>> contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, collaboration, >>>>>> etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own >>>>>> code. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking parts as long >>>>> as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to >>>>> become committer), opinions? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. With >>>> Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is >>>> included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes >>>> that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on >>>> there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 >>>> release you can even search for new themes and install them >>>> automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way >>>> fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of >>>> these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a >>>> handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize >>>> there contributions by offering "premium" themes and plugins. In fact, >>>> there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress >>>> community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. >>>> This furthers solidifies the base of support for the >>>> project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more >>>> than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom >>>> development. >>>> >>> >>> This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is >>> unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should >>> not try... >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual >>>>>>> theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will >>>>>>> get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I >>>>>>> can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could >>>>>>> fix it, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ryan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your screen copies at >>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>>>>>>> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep >>>>>>>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened >>>>>>>> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >>>>>>>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more >>>>>>>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some >>>>>>>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >>>>>>>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>>>>>>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the >>>>>>>> 1st >>>>>>>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just >>>>>>>> choice the name! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is >>>>>>>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>>>>>>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>>>>>>>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>>>>>>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the >>>>>>>>> long run. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>>>>>>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>>>>>>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>>>>>>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you >>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>>>>>>>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope >>>>>>>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>>>>>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme >>>>>>>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>>>>>>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. >>>>>>>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces >>>>>>>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>>>>>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>>>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>>>>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>>>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>>>>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>> <sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
