how about those that are using ofbiz for SAS and will have many themes
for their clients.
Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 12:51 PM:
Yes, having more than one theme in the trunk was originally accepted in
order to use and show the visual theme selection feature OOTB.
Actually Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and Tomahawk are one the evolution of
the other.
Each time we decided to create a new theme instead of replacing the one
existing just to avoid problems to users.
My proposal is to remove Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and BizznessTime from
the trunk and put them in a separate themes repository as suggested by Ryan.
Remove the actual version of the Flat Grey from the trunk and put it in the
themes repository.
Improve the Flat Grey theme in the trunk with the work you guys are doing.
In this way we will have in the trunk two themes for the backend (Actual
FlatGrey and Tomahawk) and two themes for the ecommerce (Default and
Multiflex).
In the themes repository there will be Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs,
BizznessTime and the actual FlatGrey.
It could be a nice start for the theme repository (and gallery) start.
-Bruno
2011/1/6 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Ryan Foster wrote:
inline...
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Ryan Foster wrote:
Jacques,
I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the
themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the
BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my" theme
anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that
was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to
build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood,
and other members of the the OFBiz community.
Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you were one of the
"fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much
at the beginning, my apologies.
At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly over
the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into
independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking a
much more active role in the community in the months and
years ahead.
That's really a good, very good news!
As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a good
idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that
individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance once a
new theme has been added to the trunk is that not
everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process of
maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual
contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, collaboration,
etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own
code.
This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking parts as long
as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to
become committer), opinions?
I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. With
Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is
included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes
that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on
there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0
release you can even search for new themes and install them
automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way
fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of
these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a
handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize
there contributions by offering "premium" themes and plugins. In fact,
there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress
community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins.
This furthers solidifies the base of support for the
project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more
than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom
development.
This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is
unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should
not try...
Jacques
Jacques
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual
theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will
get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I
can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could
fix it, etc.
-Adrian
On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Ryan,
Your screen copies at
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092
looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation...
My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep
up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened
to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398.
Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why
taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more
themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some
(rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or
synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7
http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php)
There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the
1st
modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just
choice the name!
Thanks
Jacques
Ryan Foster wrote:
IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is
right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in
years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add
another improved version, let's just improve the version we
have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the
long run.
As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like
navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs.
Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows.
Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I
think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you
want
to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list
discussion.
Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this
as
an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme
I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope
will become the go-to theme for scalability and
customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme
altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600
and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization.
Stay tuned for more details in the next few days...
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces
of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are
displayed in two rows.
-Adrian
--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
wrote:
By "chiclet" main navigation style,
you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as
it is (because there are advantages
to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution...
Jacques
From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com>
I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo
and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of
the "chiclet"
main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a
collapsible left column.
-Adrian
--- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp
<sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
From: Sascha Rodekamp<sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org,
"Jacques Le Roux"<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM
I really would appreciate to keep the
Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a
few visual improvements.
Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to
my mind
..... :-)
Cheers
2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it,
of course.
I have no ideas though :/
Jacques
From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com>
The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old.
The current version of the theme is based on the original look
and feel of
OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around
the Spring of
2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a
little more
interesting.
After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating
flexible layout
(to fit any size screen), it was made
sight-impaired accessible (font size
can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout
(for rtl
languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz
community and, in
my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback
theme when all
else fails. It just works.
Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update
it to make
it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other
themes. I'm
thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current
templates and
javascripts would be maintained.
If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would
also
appreciate any suggestions or comments.
Let me know what you think.
-Adrian
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