That can go both ways. If your deployments depends upon the visual
themes being in the trunk, then perhaps you should fund their upkeep.
-Adrian
On 1/6/2011 2:58 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
so you will be glad to fund the effort to do that.
Time is money. and anything the effects the ROI needs to be considered,
if the software is to be widely accepted.
=========================
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Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:51 PM:
I completely agree with you BJ. Considerations definitely have to be
made when things are removed, especially if they are tied to the
framework. What is being discussed is whether to remove themes, which
can be hot-deployed from being maintained in the trunk. For future
releases, all you would need to do is manually add your themes, custom
or otherwise, to your production instance. If they are no longer tied
in svn to the trunk, they would not be effected by any updates or
releases.
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:40 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
so there will not be any more releases based on the trunk?
I was speaking in the future when 11.04 or 12.04 happen.
it is the disregard of those that actually use this software instead
of just enjoy developing it.
I am a developer second and a business man first.
basically you can add all you want but when you want to remove you
must consider those that have counted on what was provided.
=========================
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Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:33 PM:
The theme will still be present in the 10.04 releases.
No production servers should rely on trunk.
-Bruno
2011/1/6 BJ Freeman<bjf...@free-man.net>
I have one that uses the flat grey as default
so if I do an update from the svn the flat grey will and my
customization
disappear.
my sas uses all those in the themes, with my modification.
they will be removed. when the svn update is run.
those are just a few examples.
=========================
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Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:00 PM:
I am sorry, BJ, I do not see your point.
What could be the issue?
We will have less themes to maintain in the trunk (just Flat Grey,
Tomahawk,
Default and Multiflex).
We will have more people that will be able to maintain additional
themes
in
the Themes Gallery.
Production servers will have each one its selected theme (one of
the OOTB,
one of the Themes Gallery or a customized version of them).
-Bruno
2011/1/6 BJ Freeman<bjf...@free-man.net>
how about those that are using ofbiz for SAS and will have many
themes
for
their clients.
Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 12:51 PM:
Yes, having more than one theme in the trunk was originally
accepted in
order to use and show the visual theme selection feature OOTB.
Actually Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and Tomahawk are one the
evolution
of
the other.
Each time we decided to create a new theme instead of replacing
the one
existing just to avoid problems to users.
My proposal is to remove Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and
BizznessTime
from
the trunk and put them in a separate themes repository as
suggested by
Ryan.
Remove the actual version of the Flat Grey from the trunk and
put it in
the
themes repository.
Improve the Flat Grey theme in the trunk with the work you guys are
doing.
In this way we will have in the trunk two themes for the backend
(Actual
FlatGrey and Tomahawk) and two themes for the ecommerce (Default
and
Multiflex).
In the themes repository there will be Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs,
BizznessTime and the actual FlatGrey.
It could be a nice start for the theme repository (and gallery)
start.
-Bruno
2011/1/6 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Ryan Foster wrote:
inline...
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Ryan Foster wrote:
Jacques,
I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts
on the
themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the
BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my"
theme
anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that
was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative
effort to
build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood,
and other members of the the OFBiz community.
Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you
were one
of
the
"fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much
at the beginning, my apologies.
At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly
over
the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into
independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on
taking
a
much more active role in the community in the months and
years ahead.
That's really a good, very good news!
As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would
be a
good
idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that
individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance
once
a
new theme has been added to the trunk is that not
everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the
process
of
maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual
contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates,
collaboration,
etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own
code.
This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking
parts
as
long
as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to
become committer), opinions?
I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good
examples.
With
Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is
included with the install, but there are literally thousands
of themes
that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on
there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with
the 3.0
release you can even search for new themes and install them
automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it
this way
fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of
these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it
on a
handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize
there contributions by offering "premium" themes and plugins. In
fact,
there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress
community that make their living solely by selling themes and
plugins.
This furthers solidifies the base of support for the
project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants
something
more
than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom
development.
This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is
unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean
that we
should
not try...
Jacques
Jacques
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey
visual
theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will
get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix
something,
I
can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could
fix it, etc.
-Adrian
On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Ryan,
Your screen copies at
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092
looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation...
My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time
later to
keep
up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what
happened
to Bizzness Time
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398
.
Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works
great. Why
taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with
having
more
themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the
choice.
Some
(rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or
synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7
http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php)
There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this
could be
the
1st
modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by
Adrian.
Just
choice the name!
Thanks
Jacques
Ryan Foster wrote:
IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme.
Adrian
is
right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in
years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's
not add
another improved version, let's just improve the version we
have now. I think that is more efficient and more
beneficial in
the
long run.
As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal,
tab-like
navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs.
Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two
rows.
Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I
think I have some ideas that could help. Email me
directly if you
want
to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list
discussion.
Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I
can use
this
as
an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme
I have been working on already for some time now that I
honestly
hope
will become the go-to theme for scalability and
customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat
Grey
theme
altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600
and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and
customization.
Stay tuned for more details in the next few days...
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like
pieces
of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are
displayed in two rows.
-Adrian
--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux<
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
wrote:
By "chiclet" main navigation style,
you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat
Grey as
it is (because there are advantages
to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution...
Jacques
From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com>
I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo
and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get
rid of
the "chiclet"
main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a
collapsible left column.
-Adrian
--- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp
<sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
From: Sascha
Rodekamp<sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org,
"Jacques Le Roux"<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM
I really would appreciate to keep the
Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a
few visual improvements.
Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to
my mind
..... :-)
Cheers
2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES
to keep
it,
of course.
I have no ideas though :/
Jacques
From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com>
The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old.
The current version of the theme is based on the
original
look
and feel of
OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in
2004.
Around
the Spring of
2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the
original style
a
little more
interesting.
After that, the visual theme was converted to a
floating
flexible layout
(to fit any size screen), it was made
sight-impaired accessible (font size
can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional
layout
(for rtl
languages). Those design decisions were made by the
OFBiz
community and, in
my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the
fallback
theme when all
else fails. It just works.
Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would
like to
update
it to make
it more modern, but maintain its advantages over
the other
themes. I'm
thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The
current
templates and
javascripts would be maintained.
If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help
out. I
would
also
appreciate any suggestions or comments.
Let me know what you think.
-Adrian
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