I a not saying that actual themes are dependent from each other. At least I am not aware of this dependency. I mean that, generally, a theme A is dependent from theme B than you cannot download theme A from the Theme Gallery and install it if you do not install theme B also. That simple.
2011/1/7 BJ Freeman <bjf...@free-man.net> > to paraphrase what I think you said > the current themes are not independent of each other so can not be removed, > without causing failure in another > > The links you gave and the themes depository in wiki will not facilitate an > end user on selecting or installing the themes from ofbiz like the current > theme selection. > > again the rule is not to remove what is already put in Update and modify > only. > > Now if all new themes are put in the themes gallery I see no problem with > that. > > > ========================= > BJ Freeman > Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation < > http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> > Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> > Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist > > Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > > > Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/7/2011 4:06 AM: > > Dependencies between themes do not allow modular selection, distribution >> and >> installation. >> Please give a look to these web sites: >> >> http://www.templatemonster.com/magento-themes.php >> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/ >> http://drupal.org/project/Themes >> >> they are all examples of how to maintain themes database. >> >> In a production installation one can choose between: >> - using one of the OOTB themes as it is >> - use one of the themes from the theme gallery as it is >> - start from one of the OOTB or gallery themes to build a new customized >> one >> >> Moving a theme from OOTB to the theme gallery should not be an issue. It >> simply slightly changes the way how a production server is updated. >> >> -Bruno >> >> 2011/1/7 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >> >> From: "BJ Freeman"<bjf...@free-man.net> >>> >>> more the second. >>>> >>>> however I am reacting more to a pattern change. >>>> for instance ecommerce was downgraded from a main app to a >>>> specialpurpose. >>>> I was not removed. the architecture lets it be moved with out any code >>>> changes to custom components already developed against it. >>>> >>>> >>> Yes, I completly understand your point... And I guess you are not alone >>> in >>> this situation... >>> >>> >>> related to themes, and multitenacy, not every user is going to want the >>> >>>> same theme so the themes folder will be filled with `100's eventually. >>>> >>>> the script I started, >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3490 >>>> is getting fancier. >>>> I can see templates for functionality of themes instead of the themes >>>> themselves. >>>> the seup app reads the data templateThemeData.xml and modifies it on the >>>> fly to the way the customer wants it. >>>> This way we don't have a lot of inactive themes and all the >>>> possibilities >>>> are in the template data. >>>> this is a flexible change once the Setup structure is in place. >>>> see >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-635 >>>> comment - 05/May/09 02:14 PM >>>> >>>> >>> As I planned initially, to be discussed... >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> >>> ========================= >>>> BJ Freeman >>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation< >>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>> >>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 1/6/2011 11:15 PM: >>>> >>>> OK, that was the reason I had some concerns. Let's discuss it >>>> >>>>> seriously... >>>>> >>>>> I think there are 2 ways to create a new themes from an existing one (a >>>>> brand new one is not a problem). >>>>> >>>>> Duplicate an OOTB existing one and peek an poke there (resourceValues >>>>> in >>>>> ThemeNameThemeData.xml are all refering to locations in this theme) >>>>> pros: independent from changes in the original theme (no pb if the >>>>> theme >>>>> dissapears, is changed for any reasons, etc.) >>>>> cons: independent from changes in the original theme (you can't benefit >>>>> from bug fixes, improvements, enhancements, etc.) >>>>> >>>>> Create a new theme by keeping references to an OOTB existing (some >>>>> resourceValues in ThemeNameThemeData.xml are still refering to >>>>> locations >>>>> in this original theme) >>>>> As (almost) ever there are 2 faces to the coin, the pros and cons are >>>>> reversed from above. >>>>> >>>>> Which one are you using BJ? I guess the second. Else you would not have >>>>> any concerns >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> From: "BJ Freeman"<bjf...@free-man.net> >>>>> >>>>> Adrian i am sure as a business man you understand if it ain't broke >>>>>> don't fix it. >>>>>> Now if you talking about new themes I can agree, but no one has >>>>>> proposed any or give an price. >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================= >>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>> >>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian Crum sent the following on 1/6/2011 3:23 PM: >>>>>> >>>>>> That can go both ways. If your deployments depends upon the visual >>>>>>> themes being in the trunk, then perhaps you should fund their upkeep. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2011 2:58 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so you will be glad to fund the effort to do that. >>>>>>>> Time is money. and anything the effects the ROI needs to be >>>>>>>> considered, >>>>>>>> if the software is to be widely accepted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:51 PM: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I completely agree with you BJ. Considerations definitely have to >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> made when things are removed, especially if they are tied to the >>>>>>>>> framework. What is being discussed is whether to remove themes, >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> can be hot-deployed from being maintained in the trunk. For future >>>>>>>>> releases, all you would need to do is manually add your themes, >>>>>>>>> custom >>>>>>>>> or otherwise, to your production instance. If they are no longer >>>>>>>>> tied >>>>>>>>> in svn to the trunk, they would not be effected by any updates or >>>>>>>>> releases. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:40 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so there will not be any more releases based on the trunk? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was speaking in the future when 11.04 or 12.04 happen. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it is the disregard of those that actually use this software >>>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>> of just enjoy developing it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am a developer second and a business man first. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> basically you can add all you want but when you want to remove you >>>>>>>>>> must consider those that have counted on what was provided. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier >>>>>>>>>> Automation< >>>>>>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:33 PM: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The theme will still be present in the 10.04 releases. >>>>>>>>>>> No production servers should rely on trunk. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman<bjf...@free-man.net> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have one that uses the flat grey as default >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> so if I do an update from the svn the flat grey will and my >>>>>>>>>>>> customization >>>>>>>>>>>> disappear. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> my sas uses all those in the themes, with my modification. >>>>>>>>>>>> they will be removed. when the svn update is run. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> those are just a few examples. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation< >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:00 PM: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am sorry, BJ, I do not see your point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What could be the issue? >>>>>>>>>>>>> We will have less themes to maintain in the trunk (just Flat >>>>>>>>>>>>> Grey, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomahawk, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Default and Multiflex). >>>>>>>>>>>>> We will have more people that will be able to maintain >>>>>>>>>>>>> additional >>>>>>>>>>>>> themes >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Themes Gallery. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Production servers will have each one its selected theme (one >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the OOTB, >>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the Themes Gallery or a customized version of them). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman<bjf...@free-man.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> how about those that are using ofbiz for SAS and will have many >>>>>>>>>>>>> themes >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their clients. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 12:51 PM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, having more than one theme in the trunk was originally >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to use and show the visual theme selection feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OOTB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and Tomahawk are one the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each time we decided to create a new theme instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing just to avoid problems to users. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My proposal is to remove Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BizznessTime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the trunk and put them in a separate themes repository as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remove the actual version of the Flat Grey from the trunk and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes repository. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Improve the Flat Grey theme in the trunk with the work you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this way we will have in the trunk two themes for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Actual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FlatGrey and Tomahawk) and two themes for the ecommerce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Default >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Multiflex). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the themes repository there will be Bluelight, Dropping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crumbs, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BizznessTime and the actual FlatGrey. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It could be a nice start for the theme repository (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gallery) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/1/6 Jacques Le Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inline... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your concerns about support, and your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "my" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BrainFood, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and other members of the the OFBiz community. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the beginning, my apologies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent consulting and freelance development. I plan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much more active role in the community in the months and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's really a good, very good news! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals could commit to? The problem with theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new theme has been added to the trunk is that not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collaboration, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This could certainly be discussed as themes are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blocking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become committer), opinions? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included with the install, but there are literally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of themes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 3.0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release you can even search for new themes and install them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handful of committers and also allows developers to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monetize >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there contributions by offering "premium" themes and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community that make their living solely by selling themes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This furthers solidifies the base of support for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not try... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix it, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your screen copies at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks really great! Looking forward for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Bizzness Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great. Why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice the name! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another improved version, let's just improve the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tab-like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tabs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been working on already for some time now that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> honestly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 800x600 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customization. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pieces >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grey as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sascha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rodekamp<sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux"<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roux<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2004. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original style >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bi-directional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fallback >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
