I agree with Scott, but at the same time I agree with Ruth a little.
David started off promoting Moqui by bashing on the OFBiz developer
community and the product. But he's toned that down now, so I think a
discussion about using it in the OFBiz project is appropriate.
-Adrian
On 5/2/2011 6:23 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
On 3/05/2011, at 12:51 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
List:
Why is it that David is allowed to advertise continuously about his latest pet
project - that has nothing to do with OFBiz - on this mailing list and others,
such as myself can't even mention a resource dedicated entirely to OFBiz, that
many have found useful, (MyOFBiz.com http://www.myofbiz.com) without risk of
severe rebuke?
The only time I think I've rebuked you is when you did nothing to engage the conversation
and instead just wrote something along the lines of "you'll find the answer to that
question at my website!". I don't think anyone has an issue with the promotion of
relevant websites, companies, projects, etc. but I don't personally think it should ever
be the primary purpose of sending a message to these lists. Moqui isn't just a random
pet project anyway, it is a potential replacement for the OFBiz framework created by one
of the founders of OFBiz, if that's not worthy of discussion I don't know what would be.
Of course that was a rhetorical question. I know the answer. But I will say
this: As an outsider, what I see going on here is seriously wrong...The
constant innuendo that there is something amiss with OFBiz undermines the
public's faith in the quality and value proposition of this project.
That seems pretty hypocritical considering you've spent a fair amount of time
in the past criticizing the most active members of the community and spreading
FUD about the way this project is managed. But at the end of the day there is
something wrong and ignoring that will achieve nothing, this is the dev list
and is the most appropriate place to discuss these development related issues.
Despite all the differences of all the OFBiz community members, OFBiz still
remains the best open source - possibly any source - ERP around. Lets not
forget that.
Although I have no authority to request this I'm asking that David please stop using this
list as his "dumping" ground. David, if you do not have positive OFBiz
commentary, please don't post.
Nobody has any authority here other than the respect one gains through what the ASF calls
a "meritorcracy" (government by merit), and there really can't be any doubt
that David has well and truly earned the right to say whatever he damn well pleases (in
my opinion). David's spent more time interacting with this community than anyone else
and if he's learnt something from that then I for one want to hear it.
BTW, anyone wanting to help me make MyOFBiz.com a better resource for the OFBiz
community, please feel free to contact me at ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com
Regards,
Ruth
On 5/2/11 7:46 PM, David E Jones wrote:
In fact, we have a garden now... it's just looking for gardeners.
Moqui Framework 1.0 is feature-complete and in beta. The Mantle data model
(UDM) is in an initially complete state (except for seed data which I'm still
working on), and is at a point where feedback is the most important next step
(with various improvements to it already planned as well).
In any case, framework add-ons and applications are welcome, and I've even
solicited creation of such things in order to help test the framework and give
people opportunities to experience the framework and give feedback.
If you create something great, let me know and I'll list it here:
http://www.moqui.org/crust.html
Maybe even Apache OFBiz will be there at some point.
-David
On May 2, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Shi Jinghai wrote:
That's great, David. Glad to know we'll have a garden soon.
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 10:00 -0700, David E Jones wrote:
My goal is to split the community to various sub-communities involved in
different projects which make up an ecosystem of projects based on the same
framework and data model, as opposed to a single project for everything. This
will reduce conflict and encourage people to try different ideas with end-users
in the position to choose between them based on what works best for them.
A distributed community, as opposed to a centralized community, would allow many more people to get
involved with much less conflict than our current rather small community. The point is not to
exclude people or get rid of a community, the point is to enable more people to get involved and
move it more towards a "free market" structure as opposed to the current "central
planning" type of structure that OFBiz operates under.
-David
