Anil, I did not mean that putting a component under "specialpurposes" will make it used more by developers. I meant because it will be used more than other component, let's not move it. >From Jacopo's first email about the Lose Weight :
Legenda for what I propose for each piece of code: * Attic: remove from code base and document the removal for future reference in this page * Extras: identify a person interested in maintaining the code as a separate project hosted as an Apache Extra project (not officially under the ASF); add a link to it from the page that will contain "OFBiz Extras" He didn't mention anything about what type of applications should go/remain under "specialpurposes". Since (I think), pos is used more than what went into Exta or Attic, I suggested keeping it where it's. The question is, will POS be maintained by ofbiz community or another party ? If it's will be separated from ofbiz, what about XUL integration code? should it remain part of the core ofbiz (framework), or moved to the component that needs it, and becomes the responsibility of the "POS" maintainer ? With regard to changing the License, I think it's possible on any part of Ofbiz and not only components under Extra. In all cases, users who uses POS more than I do, can give better suggestion. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Anil Patel <anil.pa...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: >> >> Jacques, >> I don't use pos, but I think it's good idea to keep it where it's. I >> think it's more likely, it will be used more than what goes in Extra. >> It fits "specialpurpose". >> > > Why do you think a component will be used more if its in specialpurpose > section, instead of Extras. > > Personally think it opposite, If a business is interested in using POS, they > will find be able to find it from Extras as well. Like any other Ofbiz > application, The Users of POS application will will respond by saying "UX > sucks" :). At that point Company who deployed the POS will be motivated to > improve it. If POS is in Extras its will be much easy for new developer to > become active committer. > > In some cases, contributor may want to change License on a components. Doing > such thing will be possible for Ofbiz Extras. > > One of the reasons (I am sure there were many) why OpenTaps was started is > License. > > I will personally like to have more freedom around UI toolset. Ofbiz Extras > will make it possible. And if application is well accepted by users then it > will get popular and community will grow. > > Regards > Anil Patel > >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Anil Patel <anil.pa...@hotwaxmedia.com> >> wrote: >>> People are really worried on the idea of moving certain components from >>> Ofbiz trunk to Ofbiz Extras. Why is it so? >>> >>> Moving a component from Ofbiz trunk to Ofbiz Extras does not mean that the >>> component is not good and so we are throwing it out. Instead idea is to >>> allow components to grow by giving them little more freedom. >>> >>> Like Jacopo mentioned in one of his responses, Projects from Ofbiz Extras >>> can still post updates on Ofbiz lists. >>> >>> Finally if a Project in Extras is useful for business, people will keep >>> improving it and community will grow. >>> >>> Thanks and Regards >>> Anil Patel >>> HotWax Media Inc >>> >>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>>> They are more generic sure, I wonder for the pos... >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <mansour.alak...@gmail.com> >>>>> Jacques, >>>>> Yes. You are right. I meant projectmgr. :) >>>>> I believe assetmaint and projectmgr are used more than others and good >>>>> to keep them where they are. >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux >>>>> <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >>>>>> partymgr is in application will not move, you meant ProjectMgr right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <mansour.alak...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I would recommend keeping partymgr and assetmaint. >>>>>>> I am not sure if accounting depends on assetmain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> + 1 on move of majority of apps in specialpurpose to 'Extras', >>>>>>>> excluding >>>>>>>> projectmgr as it displays how to use OFBiz in a different industry than >>>>>>>> ecommerce/webshop. Is it not so that OFBiz is versatile. ProjectMgr >>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>> deliver some of that versatility. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Op 20 maart 2012 12:47 schreef Jacopo Cappellato < >>>>>>>> jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> het volgende: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> H) specialpurpose/*: move several (if not all, apart ecommerce) of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> components to "Extras" (if there are persons interested to become >>>>>>>>> committers/maintainers) or to "Attic" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There seems to be a general agreement to slim down the number of >>>>>>>>> applications in this group and move them to Extras (see exceptions >>>>>>>>> below). >>>>>>>>> I am summarizing here some notes but we should actually use this >>>>>>>>> thread >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> continue the discussion about what should go to specialpurpose in >>>>>>>>> general >>>>>>>>> rather than focusing on the decision about removal of specific >>>>>>>>> applications; we can then start a separate thread for each component. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adrian would like to keep one or two components to demonstrate the >>>>>>>>> concept >>>>>>>>> of reusing artifacts to create custom applications (Jacopo: can we use >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> "exampleext" component for this?) >>>>>>>>> Hans would like to keep the ones that he considers feature complete >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> asset maintenance, LDAP, POS, e-commerce, cmssite, projectmgr and >>>>>>>>> scrum. >>>>>>>>> Jacopo: in my opinion even in the above list provided by Hans there >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> applications that are barely examples (cmssite) or are very specific >>>>>>>>> implementation of very specific requirements (difficult to be used if >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> company doesn't have exactly these requirements): projectmgr and >>>>>>>>> scrum; >>>>>>>>> some of these components also extends (adding special purpose fields) >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> generic data model and this happens even if the user is not interested >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> evaluating the specialpurpose component. I also don't think that some >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the components meet minimum quality requirements to be distributed >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> OFBiz: for example the scrum component uses a mechanism that is unique >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> demo its features (i.e. published a demo webapp with online >>>>>>>>> instructions >>>>>>>>> for demo data) that is not used by other applications (and this makes >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> suite of applications inconsistent); also, the component refers to >>>>>>>>> resources that are owned by Hans' company. All in all, they seem very >>>>>>>>> specific piece of codes that should better live as optional plugins >>>>>>>>> downloaded separately. So in my opinion the "concept" of >>>>>>>>> specialpurpose >>>>>>>>> application is in general better suited for Apache Extras rather than >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the OFBiz svn and releases. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
