+1 to what Anne said, even I used to think that special-purpose is all the extra stuff accept e-commerce which I wondered why it lies there, pretty much everything is captured in applications if we consider a complete ERP accept assetmaint and and projectmgr, these two should also have been a part of applications, and if not atleast assetmaint, as any organization has assets and its accounted. Projectmgr could stay in special-purpose.
Regards Prince ________________________________ From: Anne <a...@cohsoft.com.au> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:16 AM Subject: Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose If we can agree on exactly what specialpurpose will be for in future, we might find it easy to decide what to move. My original thought was that specialpurpose is for the "extras" that most people won't want. But in future Apache Extras will be doing that. So should we remove specialpurpose totally? Everything in it goes either to Extras or to Applications? I have not decided whether I like that idea. Only thing I am sure of is that ecommerce should stay somewhere in core, but it looks like everyone else agrees on that. Cheers, Anne. On 22 March 2012 07:06, Mansour Al Akeel <mansour.alak...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Jacques. XUL is the mozilla UI thing. > I didn't use any of the framework mentioned her :) > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux > <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > > From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <mansour.alak...@gmail.com> > >> > >> Anil, > >> > >> I did not mean that putting a component under "specialpurposes" will > >> make it used more by developers. > >> I meant because it will be used more than other component, let's not > move > >> it. > >> From Jacopo's first email about the Lose Weight : > >> > >> Legenda for what I propose for each piece of code: > >> * Attic: remove from code base and document the removal for future > >> reference in this page > >> * Extras: identify a person interested in maintaining the code as a > >> separate project hosted as an Apache Extra project (not officially > >> under the ASF); add a link to it from the page that will contain > >> "OFBiz Extras" > >> > >> He didn't mention anything about what type of applications should > >> go/remain under "specialpurposes". > >> Since (I think), pos is used more than what went into Exta or Attic, I > >> suggested keeping it where it's. > >> The question is, will POS be maintained by ofbiz community or another > >> party ? If it's will be separated from ofbiz, what about XUL > >> integration code? > > > > > > It's not XUL but XUI (which is a dead project, replaced by Aria which now > > "smells"* almost as much) > > http://xui.sourceforge.net/index.html > > http://www.formaria.org/ > > This does not prevent the POS to work well... > > > > Jacques > > PS: *"smells" like Frank Zappa said about Jazz: "Jazz isn't dead. It just > > smells funny." > > http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/3092 > > Jazz has much evolved since...Not Aria... > > > > > >> should it remain part of the core ofbiz (framework), or moved to the > >> component that needs it, and becomes the responsibility of the "POS" > >> maintainer ? > >> > >> > >> With regard to changing the License, I think it's possible on any part > >> of Ofbiz and not only components under Extra. > >> In all cases, users who uses POS more than I do, can give better > >> suggestion. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Anil Patel < > anil.pa...@hotwaxmedia.com> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Jacques, > >>>> I don't use pos, but I think it's good idea to keep it where it's. I > >>>> think it's more likely, it will be used more than what goes in Extra. > >>>> It fits "specialpurpose". > >>>> > >>> > >>> Why do you think a component will be used more if its in specialpurpose > >>> section, instead of Extras. > >>> > >>> Personally think it opposite, If a business is interested in using POS, > >>> they will find be able to find it from Extras as well. > >>> Like any other Ofbiz application, The Users of POS application will > will > >>> respond by saying "UX sucks" :). At that point Company > >>> who deployed the POS will be motivated to improve it. If POS is in > Extras > >>> its will be much easy for new developer to become > >>> active committer. > >>> > >>> In some cases, contributor may want to change License on a components. > >>> Doing such thing will be possible for Ofbiz Extras. > >>> > >>> One of the reasons (I am sure there were many) why OpenTaps was started > >>> is License. > >>> > >>> I will personally like to have more freedom around UI toolset. Ofbiz > >>> Extras will make it possible. And if application is well > >>> accepted by users then it will get popular and community will grow. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Anil Patel > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Anil Patel > >>>> <anil.pa...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> People are really worried on the idea of moving certain components > from > >>>>> Ofbiz trunk to Ofbiz Extras. Why is it so? > >>>>> > >>>>> Moving a component from Ofbiz trunk to Ofbiz Extras does not mean > that > >>>>> the component is not good and so we are throwing it out. > >>>>> Instead idea is to allow components to grow by giving them little > more > >>>>> freedom. > >>>>> > >>>>> Like Jacopo mentioned in one of his responses, Projects from Ofbiz > >>>>> Extras can still post updates on Ofbiz lists. > >>>>> > >>>>> Finally if a Project in Extras is useful for business, people will > keep > >>>>> improving it and community will grow. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks and Regards > >>>>> Anil Patel > >>>>> HotWax Media Inc > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> They are more generic sure, I wonder for the pos... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jacques > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <mansour.alak...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jacques, > >>>>>>> Yes. You are right. I meant projectmgr. :) > >>>>>>> I believe assetmaint and projectmgr are used more than others and > >>>>>>> good > >>>>>>> to keep them where they are. > >>>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux > >>>>>>> <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> partymgr is in application will not move, you meant ProjectMgr > >>>>>>>> right? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jacques > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <mansour.alak...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I would recommend keeping partymgr and assetmaint. > >>>>>>>>> I am not sure if accounting depends on assetmain. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Pierre Smits > >>>>>>>>> <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> + 1 on move of majority of apps in specialpurpose to 'Extras', > >>>>>>>>>> excluding > >>>>>>>>>> projectmgr as it displays how to use OFBiz in a different > industry > >>>>>>>>>> than > >>>>>>>>>> ecommerce/webshop. Is it not so that OFBiz is versatile. > >>>>>>>>>> ProjectMgr does > >>>>>>>>>> deliver some of that versatility. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Pierre > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Op 20 maart 2012 12:47 schreef Jacopo Cappellato < > >>>>>>>>>> jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> het volgende: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> H) specialpurpose/*: move several (if not all, apart > ecommerce) > >>>>>>>>>>>> of the > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> components to "Extras" (if there are persons interested to > become > >>>>>>>>>>> committers/maintainers) or to "Attic" > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be a general agreement to slim down the number > of > >>>>>>>>>>> applications in this group and move them to Extras (see > >>>>>>>>>>> exceptions > >>>>>>>>>>> below). > >>>>>>>>>>> I am summarizing here some notes but we should actually use > this > >>>>>>>>>>> thread > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> continue the discussion about what should go to specialpurpose > in > >>>>>>>>>>> general > >>>>>>>>>>> rather than focusing on the decision about removal of specific > >>>>>>>>>>> applications; we can then start a separate thread for each > >>>>>>>>>>> component. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Adrian would like to keep one or two components to demonstrate > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> concept > >>>>>>>>>>> of reusing artifacts to create custom applications (Jacopo: can > >>>>>>>>>>> we use > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> "exampleext" component for this?) > >>>>>>>>>>> Hans would like to keep the ones that he considers feature > >>>>>>>>>>> complete like > >>>>>>>>>>> asset maintenance, LDAP, POS, e-commerce, cmssite, projectmgr > and > >>>>>>>>>>> scrum. > >>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo: in my opinion even in the above list provided by Hans > >>>>>>>>>>> there are > >>>>>>>>>>> applications that are barely examples (cmssite) or are very > >>>>>>>>>>> specific > >>>>>>>>>>> implementation of very specific requirements (difficult to be > >>>>>>>>>>> used if > >>>>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>>> company doesn't have exactly these requirements): projectmgr > and > >>>>>>>>>>> scrum; > >>>>>>>>>>> some of these components also extends (adding special purpose > >>>>>>>>>>> fields) > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> generic data model and this happens even if the user is not > >>>>>>>>>>> interested > >>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> evaluating the specialpurpose component. I also don't think > that > >>>>>>>>>>> some of > >>>>>>>>>>> the components meet minimum quality requirements to be > >>>>>>>>>>> distributed with > >>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz: for example the scrum component uses a mechanism that is > >>>>>>>>>>> unique > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> demo its features (i.e. published a demo webapp with online > >>>>>>>>>>> instructions > >>>>>>>>>>> for demo data) that is not used by other applications (and this > >>>>>>>>>>> makes > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> suite of applications inconsistent); also, the component refers > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> resources that are owned by Hans' company. All in all, they > seem > >>>>>>>>>>> very > >>>>>>>>>>> specific piece of codes that should better live as optional > >>>>>>>>>>> plugins > >>>>>>>>>>> downloaded separately. So in my opinion the "concept" of > >>>>>>>>>>> specialpurpose > >>>>>>>>>>> application is in general better suited for Apache Extras > rather > >>>>>>>>>>> than > >>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz svn and releases. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > > > -- Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 2773 Cheltenham Vic 3192 Phone: (03) 9585 6788 Fax: (03) 9585 1086 Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ Email: sa...@cohsoft.com.au Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/
