For the major reason you know, I will commit this work in a branch for now Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> > From: <adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> >> Scott, >> >> I agree with your last paragraph and I have suggested it in the past, >> but there doesn't seem to be much interest in it. There is a much >> simpler way to implement help that addresses all of our concerns: > > Maybe and this could replace/improve what Tom proposed, but why wait or > reject the current work? > >> 1. Put Help URLs in the UI label files so they can be localized. >> 2. Use the Content component to store and display Help data. >> 3. Have each component initialize the database with Help data. > > Maybe a POC could show the result and would make us able to compare with the > current proposition > Of course not only in term of result but also of architecture. > >> OFBiz OOTB could have some Help screens available in the Content >> component, but if a user wanted to use some other method, all they >> would need to do is change the Help URLs in the UI label files (to >> point to an internal Wiki for example). > > The same can be achieved by Tom's proposition IIRW. It's just a matter or > changing an URL > > Jacques > >> -Adrian >> >> Quoting Scott Gray <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com>: >> >>> I haven't had time yet, I was on a computer-free vacation last week >>> and now have a ton to catch up on. >>> >>> I've read the pdf document but it's light on implementation detail >>> so I guess I'll have to dig into the patch at some point. >>> >>> Thoughts/questions so far: >>> - The build time compilation is a concern IMO, I'd like to see a >>> help system that users can edit as needed with things like business >>> specific information and filling in gaps for custom enhancements >>> that the devs didn't document fully >>> - I think I saw somewhere that it is planned to commit the generated >>> help html? Why? Version control is for source code. >>> - How would this approach work in multi-tenanted systems where not >>> all apps are available to all tenants? If help is a complete >>> document I'm not sure how it could be restricted by context? >>> >>> I think it's important to make a distinction between the >>> 'prettiness' of the proposed implementation and the underlying design. >>> >>> I also think it's unfortunate that we're unable to eat our own dog >>> food and use the content app properly given that documentation is >>> ultimately content embedded within OFBiz. It's a great use-case for >>> improving the content app really. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 4/12/2012, at 7:58 AM, Olivier Heintz wrote: >>> >>>> I have tested the new OFBIz webhelp for the last 3 weeks and migrated >>>> some help we already have (for projectmgr) >>>> >>>> On a end user perspective, webhelp is clearly an enhancement, because >>>> search and glossary (and better presentation) help to find the correct >>>> information more quickly. >>>> On a help writer perspective, docbook file structure is easier to >>>> understand that dataresource - content - contentAssoc - ... >>>> >>>> There are still some minors problems, but in each case I have found >>>> (with Tom help sometime) how to solve it. >>>> >>>> I'm waiting a first release is publish to trunk to send jira with these >>>> enhancements. >>>> >>>> User Help is one of the software quality criteria and webhelp will help >>>> ofbiz community to have better one. >>>> Tools is not everything, but it's a good step to motivate the community >>>> to contribute in this area. >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 28/11/2012 19:22, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : >>>>> Bump ? >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> Yes no problems. Depending on what you are starting from, you >>>>>> will need to add binaries files (from my last patch) or not (Tom's >>>>>> zips) but with zips you might get some issues, already blurred in my >>>>>> mind. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Scott Gray" <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com> >>>>>>> It's been all of 3 days since I asked you to wait for a thorough >>>>>>> review, has that happened yet or will you just keep asking >>>>>>> until no one can be bothered asking you to wait any longer? >>>>>>> Patience is a virtue Jacques, the project has gone over 10 years >>>>>>> without this feature and I don't think a few days/weeks/months >>>>>>> will hurt any, especially considering the next release branch >>>>>>> isn't due to be created for quite some time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19/11/2012, at 8:41 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We (Tom and I) are ready to commit the new help (webhelp - >>>>>>>> OFBIZ-4941) in the content component where all work for us, and >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be completed by Tom as he suggested. There are some trivial >>>>>>>> Birt issues which will dissapear when the process will be >>>>>>>> completed, see my last comment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it ok to commit as is and to improve later? Mostly we want >>>>>>>> to move webhelp outside of the content component in a new, to >>>>>>>> stay OOTB, specialpurpose webehlp component. Or do you want >>>>>>>> this addressed before? Note that if you want this addressed now >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> expect a rapid help from those who want that... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
