This whole discussion is a chance to "prove me wrong" (as someone "out of touch") as well as to prove to the entire OO community what those "positive things" are.
I am glad that the status-quo of today != the status-quo as of (today - 3weeksAgo). I am reminded of this scene from Pulp Fiction (apologies for the language: I didn't write this. Blame "edgy" QT): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NlrgjgOHrw > On Sep 2, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Roberto Galoppini <roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Sep 2, 2016 3:29 PM, "Jim Jagielski" <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: >> >> Yes, I would assume that many existing people would leave. >> >> But, as I mentioned, I would assume (hope) that many people >> would join, and many of those would be from others in the >> entire OO eco-system. >> >> Your reply seems to suggest that with the current status of AOO, >> maintaining an end-user focus is possible. Current evidence, >> unfortunately, makes that somewhat questionable. > > Jim if you're paying attention, and I say if just because I know you have > been out of touch recently, you can't have missed that a number of positive > things HAPPENED here. So if you see people having confidence maybe it would > be good to think twice and wonder if we might have reasons to think > otherwise. > >> The current status-quo is untenable and unacceptable. Change >> needs to happen. I suggested one route, nothing more, nothing >> less. > > We are on the same page here, and if security issues (real ones) would be > left uncovered it would be fine if you and/or the board will step in. > > In the meanwhile PLEASE let us work, and let's see if we can keep changing > in the right direction. > > Thanks, > > Roberto > >> >>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 8:52 AM, RA Stehmann <anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de> > wrote: >>> >>> Am 02.09.2016 um 14:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski: >>> >>>> >>>> What is obvious is that the AOO project cannot support, at the present >>>> time, being an end-user focused effort. I would suggest we focus on not >>>> being one, but instead being a framework or library that can be > consumed >>>> by actual end-user implementations. >>>> >>> >>> If AOO is not an end-user focused project a lot of people will leave >>> this community because they will be useless. People who are doing >>> end-user support, who are doing end-user documentation and are doing >>> what we call "marketing" etc. >>> >>> Also people, who build binaries are obsolet. Only coders will be needed >>> and I don't know, whether all remained will stay under that conditions. >>> >>> I don't see a great difference between that way and a retirement. >>> >>> The first way might be the "Apache way", but it is definitely not the >>> way for and of the OpenOffice community. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org