Hi -

If Oracle or IBM thought they had any additional advantage with Apache 
OpenOffice development then the history of this project would differ.

Regards,
Dave

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> On Jan 13, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Peter Kovacs <legi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12.01.2017 11:00, Pedro wrote:
>> Hi Peter
>> 
>>> If your model works directly with the Product, the flexibility of the
>>> Permissive license can be the stronger choice.
>>> I do not believe that a lot of people understand this.
>> 
>> Can you elaborate on this point? I don't really see how using a copyleftless 
>> license is better when your business "works directly with the Product".
>> 
>> I see it as altruistic (like copyleft is communistic) but as a business 
>> model, I really don't see how it is a "stronger choice". Using a 
>> copyleftless license allows anyone else to build exactly the same product. 
> Never forget, all of this is a mind game. IF you fear something or feel 
> confident it is mostly based on your own weighting of arguments.
> 
> I assumed that if you work with a Product, then not all is released. Parts of 
> it, are closed, and therefore individual, but share a common base with other 
> competitors.
> This can drop production/development cost or can shortcut knowledge original 
> did not available.
> 
> I can not imagin that you can directly earn from a Product if you only have 
> copy left license model. Some do, but this is only working if all other 
> commiters more or less donate to the cause.
> Or you have a complex method on lesser and full copy left structure. Which 
> can results in issue over time, if something that develops differently then 
> you have planned.
> 
> The risk over time, is on Permissive licence lower. Also if this is viable 
> option, you can always retreat from the project without loosing your invest.
> 
> For us it means that Oracle, IBM can always start to market their own Product 
> without the need to return something towards Open Office. From Oracles or IBM 
> position this is a strong one.
> However I do not believe that the community is at the same time in a weaker 
> position, because Open Source is in my eyes not bound to market or earning 
> strategy. Unlike companies we can take time.
> You see that on the LO vs. OO discussion. Most of the LO argument are market 
> based one. If you think outside the market its all not an issue. What 
> Reamains is the strength of Open source as such.
> In my eyes we are in a super strong position, as long as we have a commiter 
> base that work for the greater good. And I am very convinced on the Open 
> Office future.
> 
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
> my best regards
> Peter
> 
> 
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