Hi - Top posting as well. I think we should consider our goals as a project. If one of those goals is support for ODF as a theory of everything office that you can trust and know will remain parsable a century from now then what does that mean for OOXML?
I think it means that OpenOffice could be the arbiter of converting OOXML into ODF. As such I’m more interested of using tools like POI to drive that conversion into ODF and leave the other direction to the commercial vendors. There is a similar but more complex semantically conversion of PDF into ODF. Alternatively, maybe there is a way to enhance plug-ability of filters with more modern methods like OSGi. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Hagar Delest <delest.ha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Top posting. > I fully agree with Pedro. > The MS Office OOXML support is a core question for the project IMHO. > I think that the success of LO is heavily based on OOXML support. It provides > users something they believe is a clone of MS Office (or at least good enough > to meet their needs and exchange docx/xlsx/pptx with other users). > > But it is very detrimental to ODF because if it works so well for users using > OOXML, then why bother with another format (ODF)??? > > By the way, our company just upgraded from MS Office 2010 to 2016 and it is > quite a nightmare with many documents needing readjustments due to changes in > the OOXML version it seems (it provides again a "compatibility mode"). > Meaning that their own format is very likely to change again and again, > making it always difficult for the other applications to catch up with the > changes. > > The best method to work with OOXML is to buy MS Office. Why not focusing on > improving AOO first? > If people do need the OOXML export, then they will all switch to LO. If a AOO > user base remains, then better improve AOO for them. > > Even if AOO had a very good import/export filter, since it has less features > anyway, what would be the point exactly? > > Hagar > >> Le 17/10/2020 à 15:33, Pedro Lino a écrit : >> Hi Andrew >> >>>> On 10/17/2020 1:37 PM Andrew Pitonyak <and...@pitonyak.org> wrote: >>> (1) Sometimes contractually obligated to deliver some products in DOCX >>> format. I am pretty good at knowing what things will export properly to >>> DOCX format and which will not (just because I have done it often enough). >>> Only once have I had a client (it was government DoD) that would accept >>> (and even required) and ODT file. >> Then you are a very valuable person for helping in fixing these >> Import/Export issues >> I always send documents in Open Document (to EU, ICCAT, etc) and they will >> not refuse it ;) >> >> >>> (2) Frequently exchange documents with clients that will use/require DOCX. >> I usually save them in DOC and I haven't had complaints. In the cases where >> formatting is lost, then I have to switch to Windows 7 and an old copy of MS >> Office 2010 and even so there are issues sometimes (but I refuse to >> continually buy the new version that MS is pushing). I don't use LibreOffice >> for that because there is also format loss (sometimes even content loss) >> >>> (3) I frequently work with people who are better off not having to deal >>> with the extra steps of converting between formats. >> That is indeed an obstacle. But using DOC, XLS and PPT usually solves the >> problem. In fact I think that MS old formats have become the lingua franca >> of the office documents ;) >> >>> All else being equal, if you fall into the categories above, I usually tell >>> them to use LibreOffice because it will natively support reading and >>> writing DOCX format. When I ask people why they chose LibreOffice over >>> Apache OpenOffice, DOCX support is the reason usually listed. >> Yes, that is indeed one advantage. But as I mentioned before, there are >> serious glitches when using MS XML formats in LibreOffice and in addition >> this will help Microsoft make their format the standard. And I believe that >> is the wrong option. >> >> Many governments and organizations have accepted Open Document as a solution >> to be free from proprietary formats. The reason they can't switch to it is >> because all PCs are loaded with Windows and Office... And MS Office will >> only accept without warnings ODF documents created and edited in MS Office... >> >> I do not have a solution for this profit based bullying but accepting to use >> MS XML formats is becoming part of the problem and not part of the >> solution... >> >> Regards, >> Pedro >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
