I made some adjustments to the repos so that they "should" be ready to run the
scripts and produce the 0.9.4 release. Of course, I could be wrong. We'll see
how Om fares.
I also put in a change that should fix the dependencies issue. So the
remaining questions are around the AMF problem. I'm thinking of looking into
what it takes to support Small Messages. However, I don't know anything about
them. How often will migrating people be using Small Messages? Is it fair to
tell them to turn off Small Messages?
Thanks,
-Alex
On 9/20/18, 8:29 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:
Hi Om,
that's great! :)
Hope you could take on the release and get it out of the door :)
Thanks!
Carlos
El jue., 20 sept. 2018 a las 17:08, OmPrakash Muppirala (<
bigosma...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> The last time I tried to release, it was on Windows PC. Some tweaks were
> required. Also, I would say that the release process was too automated 😊
> As a result I was not able to figure out what exaxtly broke, etc.
>
> FWIW, I have a Mac now. I can try again if Piotr wants to take a break.
>
> Getting an automated release script working flawlessly takes multiple
> releases. Remember, as with any software, such scripts will have bugs and
> we need to catch them and fix them.
>
> Unfortunately, one such bug was that for the 0.9.2 release, what got
> published to npm was versioned at 0.9.3. We have since fixed that issue
in
> our script. But npm does not allow do overs for released artifacts.
>
> We have learnt our lesson, lets move on please ☺
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 12:53 AM Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Alex,
> > thanks you see it in the list of unread messages and will go to say that
> I
> > found it.
> > I'll take a look now
> >
> >
> > El jue., 20 sept. 2018 a las 9:44, Alex Harui (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid
> >)
> > escribió:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/19/18, 11:49 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Alex,
> > >
> > > what Zend-AMF issue you refer? can you post the link to that
issue?
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > PD: about your preoccupation, we'll have issues for many months to
> > > come. I
> > > see each day in Jewel as I go here and there fixing or completing
> > > issues I
> > > find, so I think is ok release with that issues so people can
"play
> > > with
> > > the toy".
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > So, my opinion is that, if someone what to release, we should not
> > wait
> > > for
> > > anything...we have many things to add, solve, fix, that one or two
> > > will not
> > > make a difference for me. As I said, maybe wait for release, could
> be
> > > worse
> > > in terms of potential users we can loose in that time.
> > >
> > > Of course there will be lots of issues to fix. But some seem bigger
> than
> > > others, and IMO, make the difference between whether Royale leaves the
> > > impression of being a product or a toy. If your app won't run because
> > the
> > > dependencies aren't right, or AMF doesn't work, will they help fix it,
> or
> > > wait, or go somewhere else?
> > >
> > > If you want to release now, then you have to promise to delay what you
> > > were planning to work on to handle new customer issues. Because
that's
> > > what always happens to me. By waiting until Alina hits an important
> > > milestone helps keep a user we know and want to make successful.
> > >
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > El jue., 20 sept. 2018 a las 2:47, Alex Harui
> > > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
> > > escribió:
> > >
> > > > The key question for me is what Carlos wrote: " I'm trying to
> fix
> > > and get
> > > > things as most usable as possible in
> > > > Jewel to avoid many changes post release"
> > > >
> > > > I always wonder if it helps or hurts to draw attention to the
> > > release when
> > > > we know there's good chance someone is going to hit a known bug.
> > > I'd like
> > > > to see if we can fix the issues brought up by some new users.
> Such
> > > as:
> > > >
> > > > 1)
> > >
> >
>
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> > > >
> > > > 2) the Zend-AMF issue. A more robust AMF might be worth the
> wait.
> > > >
> > > > Those of you who want to release soon should promise to
> investigate
> > > any
> > > > dependency or AMF issues brought up by new users. When we
> release
> > > with
> > > > issues like these, not only does it cost me the time to be the
> RM,
> > > but also
> > > > seems to cost me the time to investigate and respond to the
> issues
> > > brought
> > > > up afterwards.
> > > >
> > > > My 2 cents,
> > > > -Alex
> > > >
> > > > On 9/19/18, 2:59 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I certainly can position clearly: Community is waiting and
we
> > are
> > > > getting
> > > > momentum, each day we get 1-2 new people in twitter
> following,
> > > so it
> > > > seems
> > > > we are getting some traction. If we release now, those
> > > interested in
> > > > Royale
> > > > would finally start to get its hands dirty and try things,
> > > releasing
> > > > later
> > > > could make we loose that people interested and potential
> > > community. In
> > > > the
> > > > other hand, I'm trying to fix and get things as most usable
> as
> > > > possible in
> > > > Jewel to avoid many changes post release. For example today
> > make
> > > some
> > > > needed changes to jewel layouts that make more robust now,
> and
> > > > although we
> > > > make changes later, many of them will be more internally (or
> at
> > > least I
> > > > want to get the most stable API I can so things are as most
> > > organized
> > > > and
> > > > well named as possible).
> > > >
> > > > If someone could continue the effort will be very good, but
> if
> > > none of
> > > > us
> > > > can do, it I think nothing can be done but continue working
> > hard
> > > to get
> > > > things done.
> > > >
> > > > just my 2
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 22:57, Harbs (<
> > > harbs.li...@gmail.com>)
> > > > escribió:
> > > >
> > > > > Jewel is another reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos wrote a lot of blog posts which can’t be run until
> we
> > > release.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Plus lots of little things that were fixed…)
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 19, 2018, at 11:26 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I personally express important reason. Releasing can
help
> > > community
> > > > > around
> > > > > > VSCode and Moonshine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Piotr
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:41 PM Alex Harui
> > > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> What do you see as the important reasons? I know the
> > Apache
> > > > mantra is
> > > > > to
> > > > > >> release early and often, but if it were up to me, we
> would
> > > release
> > > > > after we
> > > > > >> hit some interesting milestone, like getting Alina's
app
> > to
> > > > compile
> > > > > >> completely, or someone else says they are ready to go
to
> > > > production and
> > > > > >> need a released version of Royale. There are some bugs
> > > blocking
> > > > users
> > > > > that
> > > > > >> I would rather get done before releasing.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> My 2 cents,
> > > > > >> -Alex
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 9/19/18, 10:34 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I’m happy to try and be a release manager, but I
> don’t
> > > have
> > > > time for
> > > > > >> at least a month. I think it’s pretty important to get
> > this
> > > > release out
> > > > > >> sooner rather than later.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> If you can help Piotr finish this release, I’ll try
> to
> > > do the
> > > > 0.9.5
> > > > > >> release.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >> Harbs
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Alex Harui
> > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
> > > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi Piotr,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> In my previous email, I was trying to say that you
> don't
> > > need to
> > > > run
> > > > > >> update.versions because I already did.
> > > > > >>> In that and even earlier emails, we discussed running
> > > > make_branches
> > > > > >> twice. IMO, you are getting the right results by
> running
> > > > make_branches.
> > > > > >> Given the current state of the repo, running
> make_branches
> > > once
> > > > will set
> > > > > >> the develop branch to 0.9.4-SNAPSHOT and the release
> > branch
> > > to
> > > > 0.9.3.
> > > > > >> That's because that's how Maven works. The current poms
> in
> > > > develop are
> > > > > set
> > > > > >> to 0.9.3-SNAPSHOT. Maven removes the "SNAPSHOT" in the
> > > release
> > > > branch
> > > > > and
> > > > > >> bumps the version in the develop branch.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I think you can just run make_branches again and it
> > should
> > > > create a
> > > > > >> release branch with 0.9.4 and bump the develop branch
to
> > > > 0.9.5-SNAPSHOT.
> > > > > >> That would be what we want.
> > > > > >>> If you want me to help more, I will take the time to
do
> > > so. I
> > > > can:
> > > > > >>> -Get the repos to the point where the current scripts
> > > should
> > > > "just
> > > > > >> work".
> > > > > >>> -Make sure make_branches works and is complete.
> > > > > >>> -Do all of the other steps.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I still think it is important that someone else
besides
> > me
> > > can
> > > > run
> > > > > >> the scripts and generate a release. So I would prefer
> to
> > > just
> > > > get the
> > > > > >> repos ready so that you can try running the scripts.
If
> > > there are
> > > > > >> important things you've learned that other RMs will
need
> > to
> > > know,
> > > > please
> > > > > >> try to capture them in the wiki document.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> @Carlos, I have spent a lot of time trying to automate
> > > releasing.
> > > > > >> As Piotr said, skipping a version wasn't planned for
> and I
> > > hope
> > > > it won't
> > > > > >> ever happen again. Unless you've actually looked at
the
> > > scripts
> > > > and
> > > > > read
> > > > > >> the wiki document and tried it, saying you think there
> are
> > > too
> > > > many
> > > > > manual
> > > > > >> steps is not only wrong, but discouraging to those who
> > have
> > > put
> > > > effort
> > > > > into
> > > > > >> it. If you really think it needs to be better
> automated,
> > > then do
> > > > it
> > > > > >> yourself. Don’t expect others to do things for you
when
> > > you make
> > > > > negative
> > > > > >> comments about their work. I have other things I want
> to
> > > work on
> > > > other
> > > > > >> than release automation. Release automation is only
> going
> > > to be
> > > > "good
> > > > > >> enough" and always in need of improvement. We've only
> > done
> > > two
> > > > releases
> > > > > >> and we are still debugging the scripts. Join the
> effort
> > > instead
> > > > of
> > > > > >> complaining about it.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>> -Alex
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On 9/19/18, 7:39 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
> > > carlosrov...@apache.org
> > > > > >> <mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi Piotr,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> sorry to hear that, I think we're out of resources.
> I'm
> > > > > >> concentrating in
> > > > > >>> make Jewel as stable as possible since in few days
we
> > can
> > > > start a
> > > > > >> new
> > > > > >>> project with Royale-Jewel, so I still don't know how
> > > I'll be
> > > > > >> doing to
> > > > > >>> continuer Jewel, make that project and continue with
> my
> > > other
> > > > > >> tasks that my
> > > > > >>> position require.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Maybe others could take this opportunity to make
this
> > > happen
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thanks
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Carlos
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 13:58, Piotr Zarzycki
(<
> > > > > >>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Btw. The process is quite automatic, but skipping the
> > > version
> > > > wasn't
> > > > > >>>> something considered before.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:31 PM Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > > > >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Carlos,
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Unfortunately I'm giving up doing that. I have spent
> on
> > > this
> > > > too
> > > > > >> much
> > > > > >>>> time
> > > > > >>>>> and money. Someone else can continue from my point.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Dev branch is setup to 0.9.4-SNAPSHOT. Even with
> > detailed
> > > > > >> instruction
> > > > > >>>> from
> > > > > >>>>> Alex I don't know what to do next.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Details are in previous email.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Good Luck!
> > > > > >>>>> Piotr
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:15 PM Carlos Rovira <
> > > > > >> carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Hi Piotr,
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I encourage you and Alex to try to refine more the
> > > process so
> > > > we
> > > > > >> can
> > > > > >>>>>> release more easily. I think right now the process
> is
> > > very
> > > > > >> dependent of
> > > > > >>>>>> many manual tasks, and that impact in all: huge
> effort
> > > to do
> > > > the
> > > > > >>>> release,
> > > > > >>>>>> many time involved, impossible to reproduce in next
> > > release,..
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I think this effort you're doing could be maybe the
> > most
> > > > > >> important right
> > > > > >>>>>> now in Royale.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Maybe you could ask for some help to other Apache
> > > teams, maybe
> > > > > >> infra
> > > > > >>>>>> people?, or maven people?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Thanks for taking over this
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Carlos
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 11:16, Olaf Krueger (<
> > > > > >> m...@olafkrueger.net
> > > > > >>>>> )
> > > > > >>>>>> escribió:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> All of that things are complex because we need to
> > > skip one
> > > > > >>>> version...
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Would it be possible to create something like a
> fake
> > > release
> > > > > >> v0.9.3?
> > > > > >>>>>>> Just to satisfy all those tools and automatism?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Olaf
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > > >>>>>>> Sent from:
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > > >>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> --
> > > > > >>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > > > >>
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> > > > --
> > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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