The key question for me is what Carlos wrote: " I'm trying to fix and get
things as most usable as possible in
Jewel to avoid many changes post release"
I always wonder if it helps or hurts to draw attention to the release when we
know there's good chance someone is going to hit a known bug. I'd like to see
if we can fix the issues brought up by some new users. Such as:
1) https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/issues/297#issuecomment-422870607
2) the Zend-AMF issue. A more robust AMF might be worth the wait.
Those of you who want to release soon should promise to investigate any
dependency or AMF issues brought up by new users. When we release with issues
like these, not only does it cost me the time to be the RM, but also seems to
cost me the time to investigate and respond to the issues brought up afterwards.
My 2 cents,
-Alex
On 9/19/18, 2:59 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:
Hi,
I certainly can position clearly: Community is waiting and we are getting
momentum, each day we get 1-2 new people in twitter following, so it seems
we are getting some traction. If we release now, those interested in Royale
would finally start to get its hands dirty and try things, releasing later
could make we loose that people interested and potential community. In the
other hand, I'm trying to fix and get things as most usable as possible in
Jewel to avoid many changes post release. For example today make some
needed changes to jewel layouts that make more robust now, and although we
make changes later, many of them will be more internally (or at least I
want to get the most stable API I can so things are as most organized and
well named as possible).
If someone could continue the effort will be very good, but if none of us
can do, it I think nothing can be done but continue working hard to get
things done.
just my 2
Carlos
El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 22:57, Harbs (<harbs.li...@gmail.com>)
escribió:
> Jewel is another reason.
>
> Carlos wrote a lot of blog posts which can’t be run until we release.
>
> (Plus lots of little things that were fixed…)
>
> > On Sep 19, 2018, at 11:26 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I personally express important reason. Releasing can help community
> around
> > VSCode and Moonshine.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:41 PM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >
> >> What do you see as the important reasons? I know the Apache mantra is
> to
> >> release early and often, but if it were up to me, we would release
> after we
> >> hit some interesting milestone, like getting Alina's app to compile
> >> completely, or someone else says they are ready to go to production and
> >> need a released version of Royale. There are some bugs blocking users
> that
> >> I would rather get done before releasing.
> >>
> >> My 2 cents,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/19/18, 10:34 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m happy to try and be a release manager, but I don’t have time for
> >> at least a month. I think it’s pretty important to get this release out
> >> sooner rather than later.
> >>
> >> If you can help Piotr finish this release, I’ll try to do the 0.9.5
> >> release.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Harbs
> >>
> >>> On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Piotr,
> >>>
> >>> In my previous email, I was trying to say that you don't need to run
> >> update.versions because I already did.
> >>> In that and even earlier emails, we discussed running make_branches
> >> twice. IMO, you are getting the right results by running
make_branches.
> >> Given the current state of the repo, running make_branches once will
set
> >> the develop branch to 0.9.4-SNAPSHOT and the release branch to 0.9.3.
> >> That's because that's how Maven works. The current poms in develop are
> set
> >> to 0.9.3-SNAPSHOT. Maven removes the "SNAPSHOT" in the release branch
> and
> >> bumps the version in the develop branch.
> >>>
> >>> I think you can just run make_branches again and it should create a
> >> release branch with 0.9.4 and bump the develop branch to
0.9.5-SNAPSHOT.
> >> That would be what we want.
> >>> If you want me to help more, I will take the time to do so. I can:
> >>> -Get the repos to the point where the current scripts should "just
> >> work".
> >>> -Make sure make_branches works and is complete.
> >>> -Do all of the other steps.
> >>>
> >>> I still think it is important that someone else besides me can run
> >> the scripts and generate a release. So I would prefer to just get the
> >> repos ready so that you can try running the scripts. If there are
> >> important things you've learned that other RMs will need to know,
please
> >> try to capture them in the wiki document.
> >>>
> >>> @Carlos, I have spent a lot of time trying to automate releasing.
> >> As Piotr said, skipping a version wasn't planned for and I hope it
won't
> >> ever happen again. Unless you've actually looked at the scripts and
> read
> >> the wiki document and tried it, saying you think there are too many
> manual
> >> steps is not only wrong, but discouraging to those who have put effort
> into
> >> it. If you really think it needs to be better automated, then do it
> >> yourself. Don’t expect others to do things for you when you make
> negative
> >> comments about their work. I have other things I want to work on other
> >> than release automation. Release automation is only going to be "good
> >> enough" and always in need of improvement. We've only done two
releases
> >> and we are still debugging the scripts. Join the effort instead of
> >> complaining about it.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/19/18, 7:39 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org
> >> <mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Piotr,
> >>>
> >>> sorry to hear that, I think we're out of resources. I'm
> >> concentrating in
> >>> make Jewel as stable as possible since in few days we can start a
> >> new
> >>> project with Royale-Jewel, so I still don't know how I'll be
> >> doing to
> >>> continuer Jewel, make that project and continue with my other
> >> tasks that my
> >>> position require.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe others could take this opportunity to make this happen
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Carlos
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 13:58, Piotr Zarzycki (<
> >>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> >>>
> >>>> Btw. The process is quite automatic, but skipping the version wasn't
> >>>> something considered before.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:31 PM Piotr Zarzycki <
> >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Carlos,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately I'm giving up doing that. I have spent on this too
> >> much
> >>>> time
> >>>>> and money. Someone else can continue from my point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dev branch is setup to 0.9.4-SNAPSHOT. Even with detailed
> >> instruction
> >>>> from
> >>>>> Alex I don't know what to do next.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Details are in previous email.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good Luck!
> >>>>> Piotr
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:15 PM Carlos Rovira <
> >> carlosrov...@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Piotr,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I encourage you and Alex to try to refine more the process so we
> >> can
> >>>>>> release more easily. I think right now the process is very
> >> dependent of
> >>>>>> many manual tasks, and that impact in all: huge effort to do the
> >>>> release,
> >>>>>> many time involved, impossible to reproduce in next release,..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think this effort you're doing could be maybe the most
> >> important right
> >>>>>> now in Royale.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe you could ask for some help to other Apache teams, maybe
> >> infra
> >>>>>> people?, or maven people?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for taking over this
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Carlos
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 11:16, Olaf Krueger (<
> >> m...@olafkrueger.net
> >>>>> )
> >>>>>> escribió:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> All of that things are complex because we need to skip one
> >>>> version...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Would it be possible to create something like a fake release
> >> v0.9.3?
> >>>>>>> Just to satisfy all those tools and automatism?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Olaf
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Sent from:
> >>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>
> >>
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