Hi Alex, thanks you see it in the list of unread messages and will go to say that I found it. I'll take a look now
El jue., 20 sept. 2018 a las 9:44, Alex Harui (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>) escribió: > > > On 9/19/18, 11:49 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > what Zend-AMF issue you refer? can you post the link to that issue? > thanks > > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@royale.apache.org > > PD: about your preoccupation, we'll have issues for many months to > come. I > see each day in Jewel as I go here and there fixing or completing > issues I > find, so I think is ok release with that issues so people can "play > with > the toy". > > <snip> > > So, my opinion is that, if someone what to release, we should not wait > for > anything...we have many things to add, solve, fix, that one or two > will not > make a difference for me. As I said, maybe wait for release, could be > worse > in terms of potential users we can loose in that time. > > Of course there will be lots of issues to fix. But some seem bigger than > others, and IMO, make the difference between whether Royale leaves the > impression of being a product or a toy. If your app won't run because the > dependencies aren't right, or AMF doesn't work, will they help fix it, or > wait, or go somewhere else? > > If you want to release now, then you have to promise to delay what you > were planning to work on to handle new customer issues. Because that's > what always happens to me. By waiting until Alina hits an important > milestone helps keep a user we know and want to make successful. > > -Alex > > > > > El jue., 20 sept. 2018 a las 2:47, Alex Harui > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>) > escribió: > > > The key question for me is what Carlos wrote: " I'm trying to fix > and get > > things as most usable as possible in > > Jewel to avoid many changes post release" > > > > I always wonder if it helps or hurts to draw attention to the > release when > > we know there's good chance someone is going to hit a known bug. > I'd like > > to see if we can fix the issues brought up by some new users. Such > as: > > > > 1) > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fissues%2F297%23issuecomment-422870607&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757292613&sdata=54aFEiUJ%2FRTCiBooZaJADt9CvYamAcvzNyWY1wP0%2Fjg%3D&reserved=0 > > > > 2) the Zend-AMF issue. A more robust AMF might be worth the wait. > > > > Those of you who want to release soon should promise to investigate > any > > dependency or AMF issues brought up by new users. When we release > with > > issues like these, not only does it cost me the time to be the RM, > but also > > seems to cost me the time to investigate and respond to the issues > brought > > up afterwards. > > > > My 2 cents, > > -Alex > > > > On 9/19/18, 2:59 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I certainly can position clearly: Community is waiting and we are > > getting > > momentum, each day we get 1-2 new people in twitter following, > so it > > seems > > we are getting some traction. If we release now, those > interested in > > Royale > > would finally start to get its hands dirty and try things, > releasing > > later > > could make we loose that people interested and potential > community. In > > the > > other hand, I'm trying to fix and get things as most usable as > > possible in > > Jewel to avoid many changes post release. For example today make > some > > needed changes to jewel layouts that make more robust now, and > > although we > > make changes later, many of them will be more internally (or at > least I > > want to get the most stable API I can so things are as most > organized > > and > > well named as possible). > > > > If someone could continue the effort will be very good, but if > none of > > us > > can do, it I think nothing can be done but continue working hard > to get > > things done. > > > > just my 2 > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 22:57, Harbs (< > harbs.li...@gmail.com>) > > escribió: > > > > > Jewel is another reason. > > > > > > Carlos wrote a lot of blog posts which can’t be run until we > release. > > > > > > (Plus lots of little things that were fixed…) > > > > > > > On Sep 19, 2018, at 11:26 PM, Piotr Zarzycki < > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I personally express important reason. Releasing can help > community > > > around > > > > VSCode and Moonshine. > > > > > > > > Piotr > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:41 PM Alex Harui > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> What do you see as the important reasons? I know the Apache > > mantra is > > > to > > > >> release early and often, but if it were up to me, we would > release > > > after we > > > >> hit some interesting milestone, like getting Alina's app to > > compile > > > >> completely, or someone else says they are ready to go to > > production and > > > >> need a released version of Royale. There are some bugs > blocking > > users > > > that > > > >> I would rather get done before releasing. > > > >> > > > >> My 2 cents, > > > >> -Alex > > > >> > > > >> On 9/19/18, 10:34 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I’m happy to try and be a release manager, but I don’t > have > > time for > > > >> at least a month. I think it’s pretty important to get this > > release out > > > >> sooner rather than later. > > > >> > > > >> If you can help Piotr finish this release, I’ll try to > do the > > 0.9.5 > > > >> release. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Harbs > > > >> > > > >>> On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Alex Harui > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Hi Piotr, > > > >>> > > > >>> In my previous email, I was trying to say that you don't > need to > > run > > > >> update.versions because I already did. > > > >>> In that and even earlier emails, we discussed running > > make_branches > > > >> twice. IMO, you are getting the right results by running > > make_branches. > > > >> Given the current state of the repo, running make_branches > once > > will set > > > >> the develop branch to 0.9.4-SNAPSHOT and the release branch > to > > 0.9.3. > > > >> That's because that's how Maven works. The current poms in > > develop are > > > set > > > >> to 0.9.3-SNAPSHOT. Maven removes the "SNAPSHOT" in the > release > > branch > > > and > > > >> bumps the version in the develop branch. > > > >>> > > > >>> I think you can just run make_branches again and it should > > create a > > > >> release branch with 0.9.4 and bump the develop branch to > > 0.9.5-SNAPSHOT. > > > >> That would be what we want. > > > >>> If you want me to help more, I will take the time to do > so. I > > can: > > > >>> -Get the repos to the point where the current scripts > should > > "just > > > >> work". > > > >>> -Make sure make_branches works and is complete. > > > >>> -Do all of the other steps. > > > >>> > > > >>> I still think it is important that someone else besides me > can > > run > > > >> the scripts and generate a release. So I would prefer to > just > > get the > > > >> repos ready so that you can try running the scripts. If > there are > > > >> important things you've learned that other RMs will need to > know, > > please > > > >> try to capture them in the wiki document. > > > >>> > > > >>> @Carlos, I have spent a lot of time trying to automate > releasing. > > > >> As Piotr said, skipping a version wasn't planned for and I > hope > > it won't > > > >> ever happen again. Unless you've actually looked at the > scripts > > and > > > read > > > >> the wiki document and tried it, saying you think there are > too > > many > > > manual > > > >> steps is not only wrong, but discouraging to those who have > put > > effort > > > into > > > >> it. If you really think it needs to be better automated, > then do > > it > > > >> yourself. Don’t expect others to do things for you when > you make > > > negative > > > >> comments about their work. I have other things I want to > work on > > other > > > >> than release automation. Release automation is only going > to be > > "good > > > >> enough" and always in need of improvement. We've only done > two > > releases > > > >> and we are still debugging the scripts. Join the effort > instead > > of > > > >> complaining about it. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks, > > > >>> -Alex > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On 9/19/18, 7:39 AM, "Carlos Rovira" < > carlosrov...@apache.org > > > >> <mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Hi Piotr, > > > >>> > > > >>> sorry to hear that, I think we're out of resources. I'm > > > >> concentrating in > > > >>> make Jewel as stable as possible since in few days we can > > start a > > > >> new > > > >>> project with Royale-Jewel, so I still don't know how > I'll be > > > >> doing to > > > >>> continuer Jewel, make that project and continue with my > other > > > >> tasks that my > > > >>> position require. > > > >>> > > > >>> Maybe others could take this opportunity to make this > happen > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks > > > >>> > > > >>> Carlos > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 13:58, Piotr Zarzycki (< > > > >>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Btw. The process is quite automatic, but skipping the > version > > wasn't > > > >>>> something considered before. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:31 PM Piotr Zarzycki < > > > >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Carlos, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Unfortunately I'm giving up doing that. I have spent on > this > > too > > > >> much > > > >>>> time > > > >>>>> and money. Someone else can continue from my point. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dev branch is setup to 0.9.4-SNAPSHOT. Even with detailed > > > >> instruction > > > >>>> from > > > >>>>> Alex I don't know what to do next. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Details are in previous email. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Good Luck! > > > >>>>> Piotr > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:15 PM Carlos Rovira < > > > >> carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Hi Piotr, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I encourage you and Alex to try to refine more the > process so > > we > > > >> can > > > >>>>>> release more easily. I think right now the process is > very > > > >> dependent of > > > >>>>>> many manual tasks, and that impact in all: huge effort > to do > > the > > > >>>> release, > > > >>>>>> many time involved, impossible to reproduce in next > release,.. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I think this effort you're doing could be maybe the most > > > >> important right > > > >>>>>> now in Royale. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Maybe you could ask for some help to other Apache > teams, maybe > > > >> infra > > > >>>>>> people?, or maven people? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Thanks for taking over this > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Carlos > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 11:16, Olaf Krueger (< > > > >> m...@olafkrueger.net > > > >>>>> ) > > > >>>>>> escribió: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> All of that things are complex because we need to > skip one > > > >>>> version... > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Would it be possible to create something like a fake > release > > > >> v0.9.3? > > > >>>>>>> Just to satisfy all those tools and automatism? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Olaf > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>> Sent from: > > > >> > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=ujz6zOXpKAHfbqW6j8pC5TN7cGY0BczTfCWOqQ4k6mQ%3D&reserved=0 > > > >> < > > > >> > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=ujz6zOXpKAHfbqW6j8pC5TN7cGY0BczTfCWOqQ4k6mQ%3D&reserved=0 > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>> Carlos Rovira > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > >> < > > > >> > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Carlos Rovira > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > >> < > > > >> > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > -- > Carlos Rovira > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > -- Carlos Rovira http://about.me/carlosrovira
