We've never tried a hotfix release version. Could be a lot of work to get it
to work. Might be easier to just roll forward to 0.9.7. Volunteers are
welcome to try. I won't be spending time on it.
Regarding a "modified SDK", the issue is not a licensing issue, but a branding
issue. We would not want other people altering our release artifacts and
calling it an "Apache Royale" release, right? Plus they cannot get the
checksums to match what is on dist.a.o.
However, if Moonshine is going to automate the fixing of the artifact, I think
that's totally fine. So instead of downloading a modified artifact, if
Moonshine can download the actual 0.9.6 release, unpack it and then modify the
royale-config.xml, that is totally fine. I would recommend that being
mentioned in the Moonshine release notes and added to our wiki release notes so
folks know that they don't have to manually fix up the file.
Have we added any notes about this problem to our online wiki release notes?
I'm generally unavailable today tending to a sick child.
My 2 cents,
-Alex
On 10/14/19, 3:51 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:
Hi Piotr,
about license: My common sense says that you can provide a modified SDK
(since is an Open Source project) but you should state that *it is not* the
official 0.9.6 SDK release, but a modified one provided by Moonshine to fix
an issue. Maybe others could know and say more about this.
Thanks
El lun., 14 oct. 2019 a las 12:39, Piotr Zarzycki (<
piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> Ok that's can be an idea - It may happen or not - We will see. Currently
> I'm interested really in an answer for the license question.
>
> pon., 14 paź 2019 o 12:34 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
> napisał(a):
>
> > Hi Piotr,
> >
> > I think since is a hot fix it starts from 0.9.6 release branch and there
> > you apply the fix to generate a 0.9.6.1.
> > Then when released the hot fix is merged in current develop branch with
> > 0.9.7
> > Or at least is what I suppose it should be
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El lun., 14 oct. 2019 a las 12:15, Piotr Zarzycki (<
> > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> >
> > > Hi Carlos,
> > >
> > > I was talking exactly about hot fix. However it seems to me a bit
> > > difficult, cause we have now in develop version 0.9.7 - I'm not really
> > sure
> > > how maven react if I change it to 0.6.1 ;)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > > pon., 14 paź 2019 o 11:13 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > > napisał(a):
> > >
> > > > Hi Piotr,
> > > >
> > > > other option is to release a hot fix version like 0.9.6.1 if you
want
> > to
> > > > release in few days
> > > > what do you think?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > El lun., 14 oct. 2019 a las 9:58, Piotr Zarzycki (<
> > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>)
> > > > escribió:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm willing to try release very soon another version of Royale
just
> > > with
> > > > > fix for our issue with broken royale config. If it won't happen
> next
> > > > week I
> > > > > will probably do that next month which will be I think enough to
> have
> > > > > proper release not only with that fix.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway my question is a bit different. We are going to release
> > > Moonshine
> > > > > where one of the update is that user will be able download latest
> > > release
> > > > > of Apache Royale sdk trough our SDK Installer helper.
> > > > >
> > > > > We were thinking about fixing manually royale-config and provide
> > fixed
> > > > sdk,
> > > > > but does it break some lincenses if we do that ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Piotr
> > > > >
> > > > > pt., 11 paź 2019 o 19:56 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > > > > napisał(a):
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Fred,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > many thanks for sharing all this with us. Very useful info there
> :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since there's many things, I'll just to comment on few and hope
> > other
> > > > can
> > > > > > talk about others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I didn't know about that video. I think Angel should report this
> > kind
> > > > of
> > > > > > work here to show to the rest of community. Then we can share in
> > > > > > official social media accounts. I'll do it later. Others in the
> > > > community
> > > > > > are working on videos I think there's at least 1 finished and
> > others
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > works. Piotr can share more hopefully about that. Hope it come
> > soon!
> > > :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Current 0.9.6 version delays one year since many work has been
> done
> > > on
> > > > > make
> > > > > > a better release process. We expect to release more often thanks
> to
> > > > that
> > > > > > effort done. Maybe each 2 month will be a good timeframe to do
> it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think people like you is what we need this days. People
> playing,
> > > > > asking,
> > > > > > reporting, and as well helping others like you already did in
SOF
> > and
> > > > > other
> > > > > > channels. In this way we'll be able to make Royale bigger and
> > better.
> > > > > This
> > > > > > is what make Open Source great that we can make it better thanks
> to
> > > all
> > > > > of
> > > > > > us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Last point. I think you have now the current knowledge to build
> > from
> > > > > > scratch with repos. I can give you support if you want.
> > > > > > In that way you'll be able to develop the SDK if you want and
> > submit
> > > > more
> > > > > > PRs. Eventually, you can be a committer and part of the team if
> you
> > > > show
> > > > > > things like motivation, knowledge on code base, activity,...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > El jue., 10 oct. 2019 a las 23:06, <cont...@cristallium.com>
> > > escribió:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Guys,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would share my experience and feelings as a new and fresh
> user
> > on
> > > > > > > Apache Royale, hope it will help...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The background :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm a Flex developper since about 10 years. I love it because
> for
> > > me
> > > > > > > it's (was...for flashplayer) the fastest way to do something
> that
> > > > would
> > > > > > > have same render on all browser. Also no lost time on script
> > config
> > > > or
> > > > > > > something else, just launch FlexBuilder set sdk main folder
> path
> > > and
> > > > > > > play with it, no headaches ...a real dream for a dev guy. At
> > > > beginning
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > learned Flex essentialy with "TourDeFlex" and "Component style
> > > > > > > explorer", and after with somes blogs and articles dealing
with
> > > > > > > componant life cycle and other interessing stuff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All my customer are happy because of the short time of devs.
> When
> > > > Adobe
> > > > > > > announce end of life of flashplayer plugin in browser,
> solutions
> > > like
> > > > > > > Angular, React, etc, seems to me and other devs guys from my
> > > > > sourronding
> > > > > > > a back to the past. I play a little with these frameworks but
> for
> > > me
> > > > > > > it's not the solution : you need to know bootstrap, css, html,
> > > > > > > javascript,etc..., this is a real nightmare... and dev time
> would
> > > be
> > > > > > > multiply by 2 or 3 on projects even small or big ones. So we
> move
> > > > ours
> > > > > > > app to Air for those which doesn't need the browser use.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Discover of Royale:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I discover Royale because of search for alternate solutions to
> > > quick
> > > > > > > make browser applications. As I remember, when I meet Michael
> > > Chaize
> > > > 6
> > > > > > > or 7 years ago at Montpellier (France), he tells that FalconJS
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > > the futur to output Flex content to Javascript. Unfortunaly I
> > > thought
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > was death because the lack of communication on it. Now I
reborn
> > > using
> > > > > > > Royale, play with it since 2 weeks when I have some time to
> learn
> > > > more.
> > > > > > > For me, Apache Royale has a huge potential, unfortunaly not
> > enougth
> > > > > > > know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At first looking, I throught that the sdk was far to do some
> > > usefull
> > > > > > > advances things, the Royale site seemed to me a little desert,
> > lack
> > > > of
> > > > > > > documentation, some page with empty content (this was my
> > feeling, I
> > > > > > > know, how the fantastic works you do, and go on I'm fan).
> Looking
> > > at
> > > > > SOF
> > > > > > > on "Apache Royale" tag throught me that there were a very
small
> > > > > > > community. But I discover TourDeJewel which made me want to
> know
> > > more
> > > > > > > about it and do a quick try. But for this I wanted to do a
very
> > > quick
> > > > > > > dev test, I wanted to be able to run an helloword in about
> > 15mins.
> > > I
> > > > > > > search for a tutorial on how to quick start. The "Get Started"
> > from
> > > > > > > Royale site affraid me : help !!! I don't have time to read
all
> > > > theses
> > > > > > > explanations to build an helloword... I was about to abandon
> the
> > > idea
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > do an helloword until I find this :
> > > > > > >
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It could be
> shorter
> > > and
> > > > if
> > > > > > > configs files were in a link it would be great. This video is
> for
> > > my
> > > > > > > personnal case why succes to do an helloword and wanted to
more
> > and
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > dig on Apache Royale. Without this video perhaps I would go
> away
> > > from
> > > > > > > Royale.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Will I use Royale to convert big applications I have done ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Honestly, I don't know yet because I have more to learn, and
> some
> > > > > > > aspects like Datagrid, itemRenderer, video play are unknow for
> me
> > > > now.
> > > > > > > (I don't know if it's right working, but I will test it)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Will I use Royale to make new browser content ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes ! Yes ! Certainly, all the mains components seems to be
> here
> > (I
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > have difficult with scrollable Datagrid that I didn't succes
to
> > use
> > > > and
> > > > > > > I didn't try performance with big number of lines like 6000
> > > lines). I
> > > > > > > don't think I loose my time learning Royale because mains
> > > > contributors
> > > > > > > like you guys take care about questions from other users and
> > > efforts
> > > > to
> > > > > > > do your best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Will I tell around me to use Royale ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes ! as soon I will show them what I have done with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My others feelings, issues and thinkings:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Royale seems to me easy to use after do a first try and
> > > > understanding
> > > > > > > the difference between all library (js, j, mx, etc...), and
> > concept
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > beads. I like to be able to compile without have to make big
> > change
> > > > in
> > > > > > > config files and without spend my time on setting paths
> config. I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > really know what's happen when I clic on debug button and I
> don't
> > > > > really
> > > > > > > want to know except if it's necessary. I discover that using
> > > browser
> > > > > > > tools while debuging is a quick way to lookup css style in
> code.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - sometimes I don't know where to put beads (beads dealing
with
> > > > > > > databindings or css does it global scope or not ...)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - I see some reading on "reflection" (when using mx I beleve)
> > but I
> > > > > > > don't really know what is it and if i's important or not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - sometimes I do a mix of j(jewel) and js(basic) in mxml but I
> > > don't
> > > > > > > know if it's a good practice or not. It seems it's working
> except
> > > for
> > > > > > > layouts
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - It isn't clear for me why there are 2 versions of SDK. One
To
> > > > create
> > > > > > > JavaScript applications only and the other (JavaScript +
> Flash) .
> > > Why
> > > > > > > need to create Flash application as we can't use it after 2020
> ?
> > > Does
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > because the possibility to make Air apps ? Or the possibility
> to
> > > use
> > > > a
> > > > > > > swc as a library in javascript ? I will dig this later...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - I don't know how components lifecycle are working to try to
> > > > optimize
> > > > > > > my code
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - are all the views created on startup ? (defered content,
etc)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - as the javascript seems to start before connect to debugger,
> > it's
> > > > > > > difficult to know what happens on a starting app. I suppose
> there
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > > > trick to wait for the debbuger connect and go on
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - my feeling is that Royale is ready to use in product
> > > environnement
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > I hope to see soon v1.0.0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - for new user I think a 10 mins video showing from scratch to
> do
> > > an
> > > > > > > helloword with some IDE (Moonshine, vscode, etc) would be
great
> > (1
> > > > > video
> > > > > > > by IDE) and facilitate the first step
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - I would prefer to have a new version of sdk every 2 months
> > > instead
> > > > of
> > > > > > > one every year with more content, for 2 reasons : first it
> should
> > > be
> > > > > > > quick to adapt old code because not a lot of changed between
> > > versions
> > > > > > > and I don't need to wait a long time for a sdk bug fix
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - I like++ "exemple" folder in SDK this is a real source of
> > > knowledge
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > how to use Royale
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - I would like to be able to build sdk on a simple clic to
help
> > you
> > > > and
> > > > > > > participate to fix obvious bug, but it seems to me not to be
> > > > > > > straightforward (perhaps later), so I do a PR code only on
easy
> > > > things,
> > > > > > > and prefer to bring you smallest tests cases of issues I
found.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One last word : I would like the existance of Royale to be
more
> > > > know, I
> > > > > > > wish to Royale become more and more used by people, thanks to
> you
> > > > guys
> > > > > > > for all your hard work and please continue this way this is
the
> > > road
> > > > of
> > > > > > > success
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fred
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le 10.10.2019 09:51, Harbs a écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hearing from new users what the roadblocks are, is very
> useful.
> > > To
> > > > > me,
> > > > > > > Royale feels very plug and play, but I know it well. It's hard
> to
> > > see
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > roadblocks to new users when you have been involved for a long
> > > time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thinking back to the days I was learning Flex, I think it
was
> > > easy
> > > > to
> > > > > > > learn it because:
> > > > > > > > 1. Flex Builder (or Flash Builder -- depending when you
> started
> > > > with
> > > > > > it)
> > > > > > > was fully integrated. The new project wizards were very
> helpful.
> > > > > > > > 2. Flex in a Week was very useful to me to learn the
> concepts.
> > I
> > > > > > > remember going through Flex in a Week while I was in the
> hospital
> > > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > relative many years ago...
> > > > > > > > 3. There were lots of blog posts and example code for many
> > common
> > > > use
> > > > > > > cases.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do you think the most important point are for us to
make
> > > > Royale
> > > > > > > more accessible?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Harbs
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
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