Hi Piotr, about license: My common sense says that you can provide a modified SDK (since is an Open Source project) but you should state that *it is not* the official 0.9.6 SDK release, but a modified one provided by Moonshine to fix an issue. Maybe others could know and say more about this.
Thanks El lun., 14 oct. 2019 a las 12:39, Piotr Zarzycki (< piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió: > Ok that's can be an idea - It may happen or not - We will see. Currently > I'm interested really in an answer for the license question. > > pon., 14 paź 2019 o 12:34 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> > napisał(a): > > > Hi Piotr, > > > > I think since is a hot fix it starts from 0.9.6 release branch and there > > you apply the fix to generate a 0.9.6.1. > > Then when released the hot fix is merged in current develop branch with > > 0.9.7 > > Or at least is what I suppose it should be > > > > > > > > > > El lun., 14 oct. 2019 a las 12:15, Piotr Zarzycki (< > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió: > > > > > Hi Carlos, > > > > > > I was talking exactly about hot fix. However it seems to me a bit > > > difficult, cause we have now in develop version 0.9.7 - I'm not really > > sure > > > how maven react if I change it to 0.6.1 ;) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Piotr > > > > > > pon., 14 paź 2019 o 11:13 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > Hi Piotr, > > > > > > > > other option is to release a hot fix version like 0.9.6.1 if you want > > to > > > > release in few days > > > > what do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > El lun., 14 oct. 2019 a las 9:58, Piotr Zarzycki (< > > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) > > > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > > > > > I'm willing to try release very soon another version of Royale just > > > with > > > > > fix for our issue with broken royale config. If it won't happen > next > > > > week I > > > > > will probably do that next month which will be I think enough to > have > > > > > proper release not only with that fix. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway my question is a bit different. We are going to release > > > Moonshine > > > > > where one of the update is that user will be able download latest > > > release > > > > > of Apache Royale sdk trough our SDK Installer helper. > > > > > > > > > > We were thinking about fixing manually royale-config and provide > > fixed > > > > sdk, > > > > > but does it break some lincenses if we do that ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Piotr > > > > > > > > > > pt., 11 paź 2019 o 19:56 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fred, > > > > > > > > > > > > many thanks for sharing all this with us. Very useful info there > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there's many things, I'll just to comment on few and hope > > other > > > > can > > > > > > talk about others. > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't know about that video. I think Angel should report this > > kind > > > > of > > > > > > work here to show to the rest of community. Then we can share in > > > > > > official social media accounts. I'll do it later. Others in the > > > > community > > > > > > are working on videos I think there's at least 1 finished and > > others > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > works. Piotr can share more hopefully about that. Hope it come > > soon! > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Current 0.9.6 version delays one year since many work has been > done > > > on > > > > > make > > > > > > a better release process. We expect to release more often thanks > to > > > > that > > > > > > effort done. Maybe each 2 month will be a good timeframe to do > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think people like you is what we need this days. People > playing, > > > > > asking, > > > > > > reporting, and as well helping others like you already did in SOF > > and > > > > > other > > > > > > channels. In this way we'll be able to make Royale bigger and > > better. > > > > > This > > > > > > is what make Open Source great that we can make it better thanks > to > > > all > > > > > of > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Last point. I think you have now the current knowledge to build > > from > > > > > > scratch with repos. I can give you support if you want. > > > > > > In that way you'll be able to develop the SDK if you want and > > submit > > > > more > > > > > > PRs. Eventually, you can be a committer and part of the team if > you > > > > show > > > > > > things like motivation, knowledge on code base, activity,... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El jue., 10 oct. 2019 a las 23:06, <cont...@cristallium.com> > > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would share my experience and feelings as a new and fresh > user > > on > > > > > > > Apache Royale, hope it will help... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The background : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a Flex developper since about 10 years. I love it because > for > > > me > > > > > > > it's (was...for flashplayer) the fastest way to do something > that > > > > would > > > > > > > have same render on all browser. Also no lost time on script > > config > > > > or > > > > > > > something else, just launch FlexBuilder set sdk main folder > path > > > and > > > > > > > play with it, no headaches ...a real dream for a dev guy. At > > > > beginning > > > > > I > > > > > > > learned Flex essentialy with "TourDeFlex" and "Component style > > > > > > > explorer", and after with somes blogs and articles dealing with > > > > > > > componant life cycle and other interessing stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my customer are happy because of the short time of devs. > When > > > > Adobe > > > > > > > announce end of life of flashplayer plugin in browser, > solutions > > > like > > > > > > > Angular, React, etc, seems to me and other devs guys from my > > > > > sourronding > > > > > > > a back to the past. I play a little with these frameworks but > for > > > me > > > > > > > it's not the solution : you need to know bootstrap, css, html, > > > > > > > javascript,etc..., this is a real nightmare... and dev time > would > > > be > > > > > > > multiply by 2 or 3 on projects even small or big ones. So we > move > > > > ours > > > > > > > app to Air for those which doesn't need the browser use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Discover of Royale: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discover Royale because of search for alternate solutions to > > > quick > > > > > > > make browser applications. As I remember, when I meet Michael > > > Chaize > > > > 6 > > > > > > > or 7 years ago at Montpellier (France), he tells that FalconJS > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > the futur to output Flex content to Javascript. Unfortunaly I > > > thought > > > > > it > > > > > > > was death because the lack of communication on it. Now I reborn > > > using > > > > > > > Royale, play with it since 2 weeks when I have some time to > learn > > > > more. > > > > > > > For me, Apache Royale has a huge potential, unfortunaly not > > enougth > > > > > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At first looking, I throught that the sdk was far to do some > > > usefull > > > > > > > advances things, the Royale site seemed to me a little desert, > > lack > > > > of > > > > > > > documentation, some page with empty content (this was my > > feeling, I > > > > > > > know, how the fantastic works you do, and go on I'm fan). > Looking > > > at > > > > > SOF > > > > > > > on "Apache Royale" tag throught me that there were a very small > > > > > > > community. But I discover TourDeJewel which made me want to > know > > > more > > > > > > > about it and do a quick try. But for this I wanted to do a very > > > quick > > > > > > > dev test, I wanted to be able to run an helloword in about > > 15mins. > > > I > > > > > > > search for a tutorial on how to quick start. The "Get Started" > > from > > > > > > > Royale site affraid me : help !!! I don't have time to read all > > > > theses > > > > > > > explanations to build an helloword... I was about to abandon > the > > > idea > > > > > to > > > > > > > do an helloword until I find this : > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bak1zoAXSMg It could be > shorter > > > and > > > > if > > > > > > > configs files were in a link it would be great. This video is > for > > > my > > > > > > > personnal case why succes to do an helloword and wanted to more > > and > > > > > more > > > > > > > dig on Apache Royale. Without this video perhaps I would go > away > > > from > > > > > > > Royale. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Will I use Royale to convert big applications I have done ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Honestly, I don't know yet because I have more to learn, and > some > > > > > > > aspects like Datagrid, itemRenderer, video play are unknow for > me > > > > now. > > > > > > > (I don't know if it's right working, but I will test it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Will I use Royale to make new browser content ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! Yes ! Certainly, all the mains components seems to be > here > > (I > > > > > just > > > > > > > have difficult with scrollable Datagrid that I didn't succes to > > use > > > > and > > > > > > > I didn't try performance with big number of lines like 6000 > > > lines). I > > > > > > > don't think I loose my time learning Royale because mains > > > > contributors > > > > > > > like you guys take care about questions from other users and > > > efforts > > > > to > > > > > > > do your best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Will I tell around me to use Royale ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! as soon I will show them what I have done with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My others feelings, issues and thinkings: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Royale seems to me easy to use after do a first try and > > > > understanding > > > > > > > the difference between all library (js, j, mx, etc...), and > > concept > > > > > like > > > > > > > beads. I like to be able to compile without have to make big > > change > > > > in > > > > > > > config files and without spend my time on setting paths > config. I > > > > don't > > > > > > > really know what's happen when I clic on debug button and I > don't > > > > > really > > > > > > > want to know except if it's necessary. I discover that using > > > browser > > > > > > > tools while debuging is a quick way to lookup css style in > code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - sometimes I don't know where to put beads (beads dealing with > > > > > > > databindings or css does it global scope or not ...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I see some reading on "reflection" (when using mx I beleve) > > but I > > > > > > > don't really know what is it and if i's important or not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - sometimes I do a mix of j(jewel) and js(basic) in mxml but I > > > don't > > > > > > > know if it's a good practice or not. It seems it's working > except > > > for > > > > > > > layouts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - It isn't clear for me why there are 2 versions of SDK. One To > > > > create > > > > > > > JavaScript applications only and the other (JavaScript + > Flash) . > > > Why > > > > > > > need to create Flash application as we can't use it after 2020 > ? > > > Does > > > > > it > > > > > > > because the possibility to make Air apps ? Or the possibility > to > > > use > > > > a > > > > > > > swc as a library in javascript ? I will dig this later... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I don't know how components lifecycle are working to try to > > > > optimize > > > > > > > my code > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - are all the views created on startup ? (defered content, etc) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - as the javascript seems to start before connect to debugger, > > it's > > > > > > > difficult to know what happens on a starting app. I suppose > there > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > trick to wait for the debbuger connect and go on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - my feeling is that Royale is ready to use in product > > > environnement > > > > > and > > > > > > > I hope to see soon v1.0.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - for new user I think a 10 mins video showing from scratch to > do > > > an > > > > > > > helloword with some IDE (Moonshine, vscode, etc) would be great > > (1 > > > > > video > > > > > > > by IDE) and facilitate the first step > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I would prefer to have a new version of sdk every 2 months > > > instead > > > > of > > > > > > > one every year with more content, for 2 reasons : first it > should > > > be > > > > > > > quick to adapt old code because not a lot of changed between > > > versions > > > > > > > and I don't need to wait a long time for a sdk bug fix > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I like++ "exemple" folder in SDK this is a real source of > > > knowledge > > > > > on > > > > > > > how to use Royale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I would like to be able to build sdk on a simple clic to help > > you > > > > and > > > > > > > participate to fix obvious bug, but it seems to me not to be > > > > > > > straightforward (perhaps later), so I do a PR code only on easy > > > > things, > > > > > > > and prefer to bring you smallest tests cases of issues I found. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One last word : I would like the existance of Royale to be more > > > > know, I > > > > > > > wish to Royale become more and more used by people, thanks to > you > > > > guys > > > > > > > for all your hard work and please continue this way this is the > > > road > > > > of > > > > > > > success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 10.10.2019 09:51, Harbs a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hearing from new users what the roadblocks are, is very > useful. > > > To > > > > > me, > > > > > > > Royale feels very plug and play, but I know it well. It's hard > to > > > see > > > > > the > > > > > > > roadblocks to new users when you have been involved for a long > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thinking back to the days I was learning Flex, I think it was > > > easy > > > > to > > > > > > > learn it because: > > > > > > > > 1. Flex Builder (or Flash Builder -- depending when you > started > > > > with > > > > > > it) > > > > > > > was fully integrated. The new project wizards were very > helpful. > > > > > > > > 2. Flex in a Week was very useful to me to learn the > concepts. > > I > > > > > > > remember going through Flex in a Week while I was in the > hospital > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > relative many years ago... > > > > > > > > 3. There were lots of blog posts and example code for many > > common > > > > use > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think the most important point are for us to make > > > > Royale > > > > > > > more accessible? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Harbs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Piotr Zarzycki > > > > > > > > > > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki > > > > > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Carlos Rovira > > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Piotr Zarzycki > > > > > > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki > > > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>* > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos Rovira > > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > -- > > Piotr Zarzycki > > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>* > -- Carlos Rovira http://about.me/carlosrovira
