Hearing from new users what the roadblocks are, is very useful. To me, Royale feels very plug and play, but I know it well. It’s hard to see the roadblocks to new users when you have been involved for a long time.
Thinking back to the days I was learning Flex, I think it was easy to learn it because: 1. Flex Builder (or Flash Builder — depending when you started with it) was fully integrated. The new project wizards were very helpful. 2. Flex in a Week was very useful to me to learn the concepts. I remember going through Flex in a Week while I was in the hospital with a relative many years ago… 3. There were lots of blog posts and example code for many common use cases. What do you think the most important point are for us to make Royale more accessible? Thanks, Harbs > On Oct 10, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Richard Hirstle > <richa...@designercollection.com.au> wrote: > > Hi Piotr > > Last time would be a good 6 months ago. I didn’t ask for help but I know you > all would > have been very helpful if I had - I see you doing so week in week out. > > We are using Angular for new work but still have a number of existing apps we > need > to port over, re - write or convert to air apps before the end of 2020. > > I am so keen to to see Royale work and gain acceptance not least because > of all the work you have all put into it. My point was not so much for my > sake > but to the wider issue of all the others that I am sure must give it a go, > fail and walk > away to something else. > > It is always so hard to step into the shoes of someone who is used to the > simple plug and play > set up of Flex to see what you need to do make it that easy, but for it to > gain the acceptance > and traction it deserves I agree with Andrew that we need to try. > > Cheers > > Richard > > Richard Hirstle > Managing Director > > > Ozone Interactive > PO Box 1108, Nairne SA 5252 > > > t: 08 8188 0342 > > > > www.designercollection.com.au > > > > > > > On 10 October 2019 at 4:04:27 pm, Piotr Zarzycki (piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com) > wrote: > > Hey Richard, > > When you were trying Royale - did you ask for help on dev list or in > private? > > I agree that at the beginning earlier it was a problem to start. Now that > barrier is a bit lower. If you need any help you can ask here or in private > we are happy to help and get you move forward. > > Thanks, > Piotr > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 7:10 AM Richard Hirstle <rich...@o3i.com.au> wrote: > >> Well said Andrew - couldn’t agree more. >> >> I am a long time Flex developer (back to the beta) and have tried >> many times to get started with Royale, so that we can move all our existing >> apps over, but have fallen at the first hurdle every time. >> >> We have now given up and are moving most over to Angular - but still >> have high hopes for Royale. >> >> Richard >> >> -- >> Richard Hirstle >> Sent with Airmail >> >> On 10 October 2019 at 8:10:44 am, Andrew Wetmore (cottag...@gmail.com) >> wrote: >> >> Instructions that require Ant or npm are not, in my humble opinion, >> entry-level instructions. I should not have to be an SDK constructor in >> order to use Royale to build the apps I want to build. >> >> The instructions need to be a TON clearer, and more obvious from the >> typical entry points where a new user would encounter Royale. We should >> possibly also add qualifiers to any statements that an IDE like Moonshine >> supports Royale. It does not support Royale as we deliver it, but only >> after it has been tweaked by processes that are obvious to those >> developing >> Royale but not to the world at large. >> >> Sorry if I sound irked, but consider that my reaction may mirror that of >> many who want to try Royale out but trip over the starting line. >> >> Andrew >> >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 5:52 PM Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> >> wrote: >> >>> The main royale-asjs README mentions the Adobe stuff as optional >>> dependencies, but the instructions seem to be aimed at contributors: >>> >>> >>> >> https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs#additional-prerequisites-for-swf-output >> >> >>> >>> What a non-contributor user is expected to do appears to be mentioned >> on >>> this page (it requires running the InstallAdobeSDKs.xml Ant script): >>> >>> https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/get-started/download-royale >>> >>> I recall that if you install the npm version of Royale, it will ask to >>> download the Adobe dependencies for you. That's probably the easiest >> way >>> for a new user to get started. >>> >>> -- >>> Josh Tynjala >>> Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 1:44 PM Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks @Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> . Do we say that >>>> anywhere in the instructions where a new user would run into it? >>>> >>>> >>>> < >>> >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> >> >>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> < >>> >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> >> >>>> >>>> <#m_-3106823410389824051_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 5:27 PM Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you downloaded the js-swf binary distribution, you need to add >> the >>>>> Adobe >>>>> dependencies manually. We cannot distribute them. >>>>> >>>>> The playerglobal.swc in the js-only version is not the real one from >>>>> Adobe. >>>>> It's just a placeholder to make certain IDEs happy. I think it's just >> a >>>>> copy of js.swc. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Josh Tynjala >>>>> Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 1:16 PM Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I wiped out the previous project and tried again with the Royale >>> JS-SWF >>>>>> version. When I try to compile the project in Moonshine for either >> JS >>> or >>>>>> Flash, I see this error message: "This SDK does not contains >>>>>> playerglobal.swc in frameworks\libs\player\11.7\playerglobal.swc. >>>>> Download >>>>>> playerglobal here". When I look in the package for the JS-only >>> version, >>>>>> playerglobal is there. I do not see it in the JS_SWF version. >>>>>> >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Virus-free. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:07 PM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> >> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> When you build with AIR_HOME (which is required to create >> release >>>>>>> artifacts, since we want to produce both jsonly and js-swf in >> one >>>>> run), a >>>>>>> different target called "jsonly-package" run and tries to muck >> with >>>>> some >>>>>>> files before packaging the js-only artifacts. It could be that >> the >>>>>>> jsonly-package needs updating now that SWF SWCs are listed in >>>>>>> royale-config.xml. That means we've had this bug for months and >>>>> nobody >>>>>>> noticed until now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Alex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/9/19, 9:38 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> >> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks like the Ant target that updates the library-path for >>> the >>>>>>> JS-only >>>>>>> build is called tweak-for-jsonly. Copied here for convenience: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpaste.apache.org%2Fasn0i&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=7h3ZHxgGsfZqP8kE22amKQYDr7%2BNyQa7EpoG86147uU%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see that it has unless="env.AIR_HOME", which means that this >>>>> target >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> skipped if the AIR_HOME environment variable is set. With that >>> in >>>>>>> mind, I'm >>>>>>> guessing that AIR_HOME needs to be set for the js-swf build, but >>>>>>> cleared >>>>>>> for the js-only build. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Josh Tynjala >>>>>>> Bowler Hat LLC < >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbowlerhat.dev&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=Ih2P7zf2c%2BLPn5ktks02EE7k6s24RKcabVem7VqjWeg%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 6:52 AM Piotr Zarzycki < >>>>>>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It looks like we have broken royale-config in released SDK. >>>>> Andrew >>>>>>> raised >>>>>>>> in Moonshine GitHub issue that he couldn't build Hello World >>>>>>> project. I >>>>>>>> tried Moonshine and downloaded JS-only version of SDK. I get >>>>>>> following >>>>>>>> error [1]. >>>>>>>> I downloaded JS-SWF version and tried compile project again - >>>>> this >>>>>>> time it >>>>>>>> went fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS-only version of released 0.9.6 contains in section >>>>>>> <library-path> - >>>>>>>> list of swc. - Those swc doesn't exists in JS-only. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fragment of config >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <library-path> >>>>>>>>> <path-element>libs/Basic.swc</path-element> >>>>>>>>> <path-element>libs/Binding.swc</path-element> >>>>>>>>> <path-element>libs/Charts.swc</path-element> >>>>>>>>> <path-element>libs/Collections.swc</path-element> >>>>>>>>> <path-element>libs/Core.swc</path-element> >>>>>>>>> .... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JS-only nightly build of 0.9.7 - doesn't contains in that >>>>> section >>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <library-path> >>>>>>>>> </library-path> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpaste.apache.org%2F2lgvk&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=IebVohnQGkmg%2BAO2RJCS2LRTdP3LQE0NoQ%2BUt7xlOJI%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Patreon: * >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=BmbfQaY1AjgUQk61TOlDZqRi1jWSJWDFaxgzaFiw1c4%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >>>>>>>> < >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=BmbfQaY1AjgUQk61TOlDZqRi1jWSJWDFaxgzaFiw1c4%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Andrew Wetmore >>>>>> >>>>>> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Virus-free. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Andrew Wetmore >>>> >>>> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> < >>> >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> >> >>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> < >>> >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> >> >>>> >>>> <#m_-3106823410389824051_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Andrew Wetmore >> >> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>
