I don't think we need a vote. We should just negotiate with INFRA to do the sensible thing.
On Fri, 21 Apr, 2023, 7:56 pm Justin Sweeney, <justin.sweene...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just to close the loop on this, should I kick off a vote as a new thread to > the dev group or should that be kicked off by a PMC member? I don't see the > 3 day period as a blocker here for the release. > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 7:15 PM Ishan Chattopadhyaya < > ichattopadhy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 24 hours are enough to cover all timezones on earth. Only those on other > > planets need more time. > > > > On Fri, 21 Apr, 2023, 4:42 am Jan Høydahl, <jan....@cominvent.com> > wrote: > > > > > Bureaucracy sure, but needless? Don't think so. How else can we make > > > decisions across time zones and national holidays that ensures every > PMC > > > member has a chance to vote? Of course, in this matter it would > probably > > be > > > possible to persuade INFRA to let Solr "inherit" Lucene's policy > > > immediately, and then change it back, only if a PMC vote demands it... > :) > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > 21. apr. 2023 kl. 01:01 skrev Ishan Chattopadhyaya < > > > ichattopadhy...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > Vote and 3 days of wait!? This whole Apache process feels like a > > needless > > > > bureaucracy, stuck in the twentieth century. If such a vote is a > strict > > > > necessity, I think we should also get a vote on whether to stick with > > > > Apache. > > > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Apr, 2023, 3:52 am Justin Sweeney, < > > > justin.sweene...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I believe I can continue the release for most of the steps before > this > > > will > > > >> be a blocking issue. If as a result of the vote, it is decided not > to > > > grant > > > >> write permissions to non-PMC committers, I'd just need additional > > > support > > > >> from a PMC member to complete the 9.2.1 release. > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 6:08 PM Jan Høydahl <jan....@cominvent.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Ah, I never knew this was the default. I see no reason to change > our > > > >>> release practice, so guess we can do a proper VOTE and wait 3 days > > for > > > it > > > >>> to complete before the release can happen. I suppose several RM > steps > > > can > > > >>> happen before this is a blocker, or? > > > >>> > > > >>> Jan > > > >>> > > > >>>> 20. apr. 2023 kl. 22:24 skrev Houston Putman <hous...@apache.org > >: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ahhh I think I know the issue. We haven't had a non-pmc committer > > do a > > > >>>> release since the Lucene/Solr split. I guess Lucene was setup to > > > >> support > > > >>>> this, but by default Apache doesn't allow it, so Solr doesn't have > > it > > > >>>> enabled now. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> As per the JIRA infra can do this. Should we get a PMC vote on > this? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - Houston > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 4:06 PM Houston Putman < > hous...@apache.org> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> I commented. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 3:59 PM Justin Sweeney < > > > >>> justin.sweene...@gmail.com> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> I've created an Infra ticket here: > > > >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24485. It would > > > probably > > > >>> be > > > >>>>>> useful if a few PMC members can comment support for it, I am not > > > sure > > > >>>>>> what an approval process looks like for this. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 3:44 PM Jan Høydahl < > > jan....@cominvent.com> > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> +1 to give svn release permission to all committers! > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Jan Høydahl > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> 20. apr. 2023 kl. 18:01 skrev Houston Putman < > > hous...@apache.org > > > >: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Yeah it definitely seems like a change in policy. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Justin already can't add his GPG key to the KEYS file, so we > > know > > > >>>>>> this is > > > >>>>>>>> going to be a blocker now and again when the release vote > > passes. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> The infra page does say "*By default*, only PMC/PPMC members > > have > > > >>>>>> write > > > >>>>>>>> access to the dist/release directories." So it seems like we > can > > > >>>>>> change > > > >>>>>>>> that for solr if we want to. I have no problem reverting to > the > > > old > > > >>>>>>>> permission scheme, since committers will not be able to do > > > releases > > > >>>>>>>> otherwise. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> - Houston > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 11:38 AM Jan Høydahl < > > > >> jan....@cominvent.com > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> It has not been a blocker before, so I’d just proceed with > the > > > >>>>>> release > > > >>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>> ask again if it becomes a problem. Non-pmc committers have > > > >> certainly > > > >>>>>>> been > > > >>>>>>>>> RM before. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Jan Høydahl > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 20. apr. 2023 kl. 17:19 skrev Justin Sweeney < > > > >>>>>>> justin.sweene...@gmail.com > > > >>>>>>>>>> : > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> While working on the 9.2.1 release process, I've hit a bit > > of a > > > >>>>>>>>> blocker. It > > > >>>>>>>>>> looks like you must be a PMC member to push to > > > >>>>>>>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/solr (based on > > > >>>>>>>>>> https://infra.apache.org/release-publishing.html#normal and > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > https://the-asf.slack.com/archives/CBX4TSBQ8/p1682001736232839 > > > ). > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This might primarily be a question for @David Smiley < > > > >>>>>>> dsmi...@apache.org> > > > >>>>>>>>> but > > > >>>>>>>>>> noticed his slack status is on vacation so wanted to raise > it > > > >> here > > > >>>>>> for > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>> group. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Should we modify the permissions to allow any Solr committer > > to > > > >>>>>> push to > > > >>>>>>>>>> that SVN repo or should we restrict releases to PMC members? > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am assuming I can open an Infra ticket to change > > permissions, > > > >> but > > > >>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>> will > > > >>>>>>>>>> likely require some approvals beyond myself. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:21 AM Justin Sweeney < > > > >>>>>>>>> justin.sweene...@gmail.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Yup, feel free to go ahead and merge that in. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:18 AM Ishan Chattopadhyaya < > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ichattopadhy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Justin, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have time to merge the following, please? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-16741 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ishan > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 19:37, Justin Sweeney < > > > >>>>>>>>> justin.sweene...@gmail.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for merging that, I'm just getting started along > the > > > >>>>>> release > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> process, had to get a gpg key setup but should be moving > > > >> today. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:03 AM Jan Høydahl < > > > >>>>>> jan....@cominvent.com > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merged. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19. apr. 2023 kl. 16:10 skrev Houston Putman < > > > >>>>>> hous...@apache.org > > > >>>>>>>> : > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that's a good one to include. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Houston > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 7:37 AM Jan Høydahl < > > > >>>>>>> jan....@cominvent.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there still time to back-port > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-16755 ? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12. apr. 2023 kl. 17:33 skrev Justin Sweeney < > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> justin.sweene...@gmail.com > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome, thanks! I'll get that process started on > > Monday, > > > >>>>>> 4/17. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:31 AM Houston Putman < > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> hous...@apache.org> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That'd be awesome, thanks! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No documentation really (and if you find any it will > > be > > > >>> very > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-date). > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The release process is all managed by the "release > > > >> wizard" > > > >>>>>> (a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> million > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to Jan). > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you can start it by: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Check out the "branch_9_2" branch > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. (install python3/pip3 if you don't have them > > > >> downloaded > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> already) > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. pip3 install -r > dev-tools/scripts/requirements.txt > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ./dev-tools/scripts/releaseWizard.py --init > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can start/stop the wizard at any time, the state > > is > > > >>>>>> saved. > > > >>>>>>> I > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> would > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest that you do the entire release process on > one > > > >>>>>> computer > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> though, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switching computers is very hard. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also start the wizard before you want to actually do > > the > > > >>>>>>> release. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial steps that are meant to be done days before > > the > > > >>>>>> release > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There will be two particular snags since you aren't > a > > > PMC > > > >>>>>>> member, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> but > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will come up early and the releaseWizard will prompt > > you > > > >> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> address > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions, do not be afraid to ask. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Houston > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:22 AM Justin Sweeney < > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justin.sweene...@gmail.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 If you need a volunteer to execute the release, > I > > > can > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that next week. Are there docs available for the > > > release > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> process as > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'd > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my first time through? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:10 PM Jan Høydahl < > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> jan....@cominvent.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11. apr. 2023 kl. 15:51 skrev Houston Putman < > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> hous...@apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> : > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know we just released 9.2 around 2-3 weeks ago, > > but > > > >> it > > > >>>>>>> looks > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to need a bugfix release soon. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see the list of bugs here: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/SOLR/versions/12353017 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should discuss starting the release > > > process > > > >>>>>> early > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> next > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of these bugs are pretty bad (Particularly > the > > > >> SSL > > > >>> & > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> HTTP2 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bug - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOLR-16728 < > > > >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-16728 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ). > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Houston > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > >> dev-unsubscr...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > >>> dev-h...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > dev-unsubscr...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > dev-h...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@solr.apache.org > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@solr.apache.org > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@solr.apache.org > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@solr.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@solr.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
