Noah I answered the same question by the same person (Joe) during the incubator discussion.
You have my (personal) word we will run our proposed branding by the ASF branding team before we go out with it. To be honest, we have not even thought of how we'd do it ... we're a very different kind of company :-). We'll sort it out when we get there .. I wasn't trying to imply its a a fait accompli - just that I don't see the point of a discussion being repeated when the same committers voted for the current position 2 weeks ago. Sanjiva. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > Hmm. There is no lack of trust here. Seems odd you would imply it. > > I'm just saying that it would be a nice to see how WSO2 is planning to > brand its own offerings, and it's "distribution" of Apache Stratos. That > would help us formulate our position on branding, and maybe even draft a > first branding policy. > > My reaction here was to the tone of the conversation which seemed to be > presenting it as a fait accompli, and something to do with there being lots > of WSO2 committers here. > > > On 27 June 2013 18:39, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Joe raised this question during the incubator discussion too and I >> answered it there - please see that thread. The ASF branding team was also >> informed and they ok'ed the proposed model. The incubator PMC voted it in. >> >> I'm not sure what the problem is .. if you want to start a thread on "do >> we want a new name" go right ahead. >> >> IMO that's not the most important thing to do first as that was discussed >> just a few weeks ago! However you (or Joe) can start it again if u so wish. >> >> WSO2 has committed to abide by ASF naming guidelines. I see no reason for >> WSO2 to commit any further because you and Joe are demanding more >> information. >> >> We're not new to ASF guys .. many of us are not just committers but long >> time members and we know the rules and I've helped shape them too many >> years ago. A little bit of trust is helpful too but hey if you don't want >> to go with that then we (as a company) have stated repeatedly that we will >> abide by the guidelines. >> >> Sanjiva. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I assume it has been donated. But even in that case, it would be good to >>> have a proposal from WSO2 about how they intend to handle their branding. >>> This sort of information will help inform our own branding conversations. >>> And IMO, "do we choose a new name?" is a perfectly legitimate question. It >>> is now, and it will be for the lifetime of the project. ;) >>> >>> >>> On 27 June 2013 17:53, Samisa Abeysinghe <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Joe, I think your points are valid. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to know if WSO2 have any ideas how they intend to brand their >>>>> products, and their distribution of Apache Stratos. That could help us, as >>>>> a community, decide whether we want to pick a new name to help with the >>>>> distancing from WSO2. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I am not sure what WSO2 will end up calling it, but the Apache >>>> branding guidelines are clear. >>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html#responsible >>>> >>>> So if this project is "Apache Stratos", the name too has to be treated >>>> to be "donated" as per the branding guidelines. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 27 June 2013 06:05, Joe Brockmeier <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 12:02 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: >>>>>> > We will have our own branding for our distribution of Stratos (and >>>>>> other >>>>>> > stuff). *That* will of course have normal WSO2 branding. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's the plan from WSO2 with regards to naming its Stratos-derived >>>>>> product? You do realize that "WSO2 Stratos" or similar will not be >>>>>> acceptable, correct? >>>>>> >>>>>> It will probably need to be something like "WSO2 Foo, powered by >>>>>> Apache >>>>>> Stratos". (Again, I *really* encourage you to consider having the >>>>>> Apache >>>>>> podling pick a new name and keeping Stratos for WSO2.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> jzb >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Joe Brockmeier >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Twitter: @jzb >>>>>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> NS >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> NS >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. >> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ >> email: [email protected]; phone: +94 11 763 9614; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 >> 650 265 8311 >> blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ >> >> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware >> > > > > -- > NS > -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ email: [email protected]; phone: +94 11 763 9614; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 650 265 8311 blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
