Okay. Sorry. I wasn't a part of that conversation, so I appear to be missing some context.
On 27 June 2013 19:04, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[email protected]> wrote: > Noah I answered the same question by the same person (Joe) during the > incubator discussion. > > You have my (personal) word we will run our proposed branding by the ASF > branding team before we go out with it. To be honest, we have not even > thought of how we'd do it ... we're a very different kind of company :-). > We'll sort it out when we get there .. > > I wasn't trying to imply its a a fait accompli - just that I don't see the > point of a discussion being repeated when the same committers voted for the > current position 2 weeks ago. > > Sanjiva. > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hmm. There is no lack of trust here. Seems odd you would imply it. >> >> I'm just saying that it would be a nice to see how WSO2 is planning to >> brand its own offerings, and it's "distribution" of Apache Stratos. That >> would help us formulate our position on branding, and maybe even draft a >> first branding policy. >> >> My reaction here was to the tone of the conversation which seemed to be >> presenting it as a fait accompli, and something to do with there being lots >> of WSO2 committers here. >> >> >> On 27 June 2013 18:39, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Joe raised this question during the incubator discussion too and I >>> answered it there - please see that thread. The ASF branding team was also >>> informed and they ok'ed the proposed model. The incubator PMC voted it in. >>> >>> I'm not sure what the problem is .. if you want to start a thread on "do >>> we want a new name" go right ahead. >>> >>> IMO that's not the most important thing to do first as that was >>> discussed just a few weeks ago! However you (or Joe) can start it again if >>> u so wish. >>> >>> WSO2 has committed to abide by ASF naming guidelines. I see no reason >>> for WSO2 to commit any further because you and Joe are demanding more >>> information. >>> >>> We're not new to ASF guys .. many of us are not just committers but long >>> time members and we know the rules and I've helped shape them too many >>> years ago. A little bit of trust is helpful too but hey if you don't want >>> to go with that then we (as a company) have stated repeatedly that we will >>> abide by the guidelines. >>> >>> Sanjiva. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I assume it has been donated. But even in that case, it would be good >>>> to have a proposal from WSO2 about how they intend to handle their >>>> branding. This sort of information will help inform our own branding >>>> conversations. And IMO, "do we choose a new name?" is a perfectly >>>> legitimate question. It is now, and it will be for the lifetime of the >>>> project. ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27 June 2013 17:53, Samisa Abeysinghe >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Joe, I think your points are valid. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to know if WSO2 have any ideas how they intend to brand >>>>>> their products, and their distribution of Apache Stratos. That could help >>>>>> us, as a community, decide whether we want to pick a new name to help >>>>>> with >>>>>> the distancing from WSO2. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure what WSO2 will end up calling it, but the Apache >>>>> branding guidelines are clear. >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html#responsible >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So if this project is "Apache Stratos", the name too has to be treated >>>>> to be "donated" as per the branding guidelines. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27 June 2013 06:05, Joe Brockmeier <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 12:02 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: >>>>>>> > We will have our own branding for our distribution of Stratos (and >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> > stuff). *That* will of course have normal WSO2 branding. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's the plan from WSO2 with regards to naming its Stratos-derived >>>>>>> product? You do realize that "WSO2 Stratos" or similar will not be >>>>>>> acceptable, correct? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It will probably need to be something like "WSO2 Foo, powered by >>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>> Stratos". (Again, I *really* encourage you to consider having the >>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>> podling pick a new name and keeping Stratos for WSO2.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jzb >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Joe Brockmeier >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> Twitter: @jzb >>>>>>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> NS >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> NS >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. >>> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ >>> email: [email protected]; phone: +94 11 763 9614; cell: +94 77 787 6880| +1 >>> 650 265 8311 >>> blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ >>> >>> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> NS >> > > > > -- > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ > email: [email protected]; phone: +94 11 763 9614; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 > 650 265 8311 > blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ > > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware > -- NS
