Sanjiva, That's great! But the other things Stratos is doing right are orthogonal issues.
I'm not proposing that we nominate people randomly. That's a strawman. But I've been told on this thread that we've seen a lot more participation since Novemeber. But we've only had three additional committer elections. So what's going on there? My concern is that the PMC might be having some issues recognising non-WSO2 merit. Now, these may be completely unfounded. That's why I'm asking instead of concluding. But it seems counter productive to me to talk about Stratos being "held hostage". And certainly I'm not at all swayed by the argument that we should graduate so that some un-named organisations feel comfortable contributing. In fact, that alarms me a little. Demonstrating that the PMC is able to recognise diverse merit (especially when the incumbent PMC is so homogeneous) is a fundamental milestone to pass before graduating IMO. On 22 March 2014 04:44, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanj...@wso2.com> wrote: > Noah there's ample evidence that the community has done things right: > - doing *everything* openly > - reporting back on any private conversations > - doing outreach work to encourage others > - voting in new committers when they meet a reasonable bar - you can't > randomly nominate people and I'd be shocked if the PMC members didn't > nominate some person who has earned it (I'm not on the PMC but I know the > people there and I know their ethos) > > That's plenty more than needed to graduate out of the incubator. There is no > magic count or definition of "diversity" that we need to meet - ASF has no > such rules (I've been a member of ASF for more than 10 years (now emeritus) > and have participated in many discussions on this topic and observed many > projects during and after incubation). > > We need to move this forward! There's nothing to be gained by holding > Stratos hostage in the incubator. Doing so only *hurts* further community > development (I've talked to several orgs who want to nominate people to > participate but want to see this project become "real") and by no means > helps it. > > Sanjiva. > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> That's excellent news! >> >> But my question remains: I hear you when you say that there has been >> many non-WSO2 people actively participating, where are the committer >> nominations to reflect this? >> >> It's great that Stratos is stimulating activity (I mean it: >> fantastic!) but that activity needs to be recognised and rewarded. >> This is one of the primary functions of the PMC. >> >> On 21 March 2014 16:31, Afkham Azeez <afk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks. Roy makes some good points. But I'm not sure how they apply >> >> here. >> >> >> >> I think we agreed last time that we'd like to see some more >> >> participation from people outside of WSO2, as this would show that the >> >> project was attracting outside interest. It would also help to >> >> demonstrate, assuming things were going well, that the project was >> >> able to govern itself functionally as an Apache project (where project >> >> independence is of vital importance). >> >> >> >> "Taking next step and encouraging the active CoPDoC (taking from >> >> Forest link below) and recruitin non-WSO2 folks to PPMC will certainly >> >> make a big statement and make every one be more comfortable." >> >> >> >> Has this aggressive recruitment of new contributors happened? >> > >> > >> > If you look at the dev list, there have been many non-WSO2 people >> > actively >> > participating. Also, the Stratos developers have made a lot of effort to >> > attract contributors. Some GSoC students have also expressed interest. >> > Increased participation See the news section in >> > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/stratos.html. We've had 11 hangouts >> > & 1 >> > barcamp. >> >> >> >> -- >> Noah Slater >> https://twitter.com/nslater > > > > > -- > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ > email: sanj...@wso2.com; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345) x5700; > cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311 > blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater
