Noah this is only ONE (albeit important) dimension of what a poddling must demonstrate in order to graduate.
For example, how we take views of people in the list, irrespective of their committer/PMC status. into consideration is a very important aspect of how the community behaves. I honestly have no idea which people are committers and you can see from the discussions that that is not a relevant aspect for any discussions. We discuss based on the merits of positions people take not anything else. BTW WSO2 has nearly 350 people .. apart from Lakmal (who I've known for 10+ years from way before WSO2), Azeez (who's been in WSO2 for like 7 years) and a few others, I can't even recognize the other WSO2 folks on this project when I see them in the elevator! I don't even know which WSO2 people are committers. Then there are other non-Stratos team WSO2 people who are stalking/participating in their own time (which we encourage people to do - participate in other stuff). I'm sure that's the case for Paul and Azeez too (and maybe not for Lakmal because he's living and breathing Stratos compared to the rest of us). So this view that are the PMC members may have difficulty recognizing non-WSO2 contribs is a bit frustrating at least to me personally. Anyway I get your point - my apologies for being defensive a bit too. I will answer your last question (are we doing enough to attract contribs) with a strong YES. If you see anything else we could and should do please say so - otherwise it amounts to "go fetch me a rock". Sanjiva. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > Show some evidence for what? I've not stated any conclusions. I am > asking a question: given our concerns about committer diversity in > November, does the PMC feel like we have made adequate progress? > > If no, what do we plan to do about it? If yes, what is the justification? > > Aside from Lakmal's response just now, I find it a little puzzling > that nobody has given a straight answer to this. The only real reply > to this question has been to challenge it's premise: that this isn't > important. > > Also note: if there is an agreement that there are no candidates that > have been overlooked (even if we take into account non-code > contributions) then that still leaves us with a question: are we doing > everything we can to attract contributions? > > > On 23 March 2014 03:59, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Sanjiva, > >> > >> That's great! But the other things Stratos is doing right are orthogonal > >> issues. > >> > >> I'm not proposing that we nominate people randomly. That's a strawman. > >> But I've been told on this thread that we've seen a lot more > >> participation since Novemeber. But we've only had three additional > >> committer elections. So what's going on there? > >> > >> My concern is that the PMC might be having some issues recognising > >> non-WSO2 merit. > > > > > > Noah, can you please go through the mail archives and list down a few > > deserving non-WSO2 contributors who the PMC has failed to nominate for > > committership? Rather than theorizing, it would be nice if you can show > some > > evidence. > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater > -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ email: [email protected]; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345) x5700; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311 blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
