On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not proposing that we nominate people randomly. That's a strawman. > But I've been told on this thread that we've seen a lot more > participation since Novemeber. But we've only had three additional > committer elections. So what's going on there? > > My concern is that the PMC might be having some issues recognising > non-WSO2 merit. Now, these may be completely unfounded. That's why I'm > asking instead of concluding. > Do you have any evidence of such un-Apache Way behavior to have these concerns? Just being active on the list isn't enough to vote a committer in of course .. they need to write code. It takes time for a new person to get that point. Have you done the research to see how many people have submitted patches to earn commit rights in your view and have not been nominated? I can see a bunch of people being in the pipeline now but I don't think I've seen many submit a series of patches yet. IIRC you're a mentor and on the PMC too .. in that case why didn't you nominate or bring this up in the PMC and *mentor* the community towards that? Maybe a PMC discussion of those people will help you get more comfortable - and maybe you guys can identify some more people to make into committers. But it seems counter productive to me to talk about Stratos being > "held hostage". And certainly I'm not at all swayed by the argument > that we should graduate so that some un-named organisations feel > comfortable contributing. In fact, that alarms me a little. > Why? Projects in the incubator are not ASF projects yet and a lot of people don't like to depend on them (for example we in WSO2 review very carefully if we are considering taking a dependency on an incubator project - and only do it if there are no alternatives). Demonstrating that the PMC is able to recognise diverse merit > (especially when the incumbent PMC is so homogeneous) is a fundamental > milestone to pass before graduating IMO. > Of course. The WSO2 folks are people who have done that for a long time .. even when we hire a new employee they have to earn commit rights and be voted in before they're given committership. The bar is of course lower for incubator projects as one is aggressively trying to build the community - and if the PMC is not doing that right the mentors should of course slap it around! That's why the mentors are there ... to do that on an on-going basis in a pro-active way. Sanjiva. -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ email: [email protected]; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345) x5700; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311 blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
