I have a tattoo already.
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au>wrote: > > On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:46 pm, Dave Newton <davelnew...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'm willing to throw some money at > > 99designs to get it done right. > > > > Another issue I had was the really thin whitespace lines in the logo; > that > > can make some printing a bit trickier. > > > > Because we all want t-shirts and tattoos, right? > > > > Right? > > > > Anyone? > > Sure, why not. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM, i...@flyingfischer.ch < > i...@flyingfischer.ch > >> wrote: > > > >> Voltaire and Oswald seem to be condensed fonts, while Alegreya Sans SC > and > >> Alef and others aren't. > >> > >> I always feel typography is a very difficult job and needs to be seen in > >> the given case. > >> > >> Maybe the graphic guy could make some suggestions, choosing the > >> appropriate kind of font for the situation? > >> > >> Markus > >> > >> Am 07.03.2014 12:08, schrieb Matthew Panetta: > >> > >>> I like Roboto and Inconsolata. Also found Voltaire and Oswald. > >>> > >>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: > >>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Viga|Audiowide|Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Roboto|Nobile| > >>> Inconsolata|Voltaire|Oswald< > https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CViga%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata%7CVoltaire%7COswald > > > >>> > >>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 6:05 pm, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Maybe some of these > >>>> > >>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: > >>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Flamenco|Cambo|Esteban|Audiowide| > >>>> > Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Prosto+One|Varela+Round|Roboto|Nobile|Inconsolata< > https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CFlamenco%7CCambo%7CEsteban%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CProsto+One%7CVarela+Round%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata > > > >>>> > >>>> 2014-03-07 7:47 GMT+01:00 Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au>: > >>>> > >>>>> My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font. > >>>>> On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "i...@flyingfischer.ch" < > i...@flyingfischer.ch> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the art work of M.C. > >>>>>> Escher. Great work. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Blue is always nice ;-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The typography however gives the whole logo a not too modern touch, > >>>>>> because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder if this will match > nicely > >>>>>> with the serif free home page of struts 2? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best regards > >>>>>> Markus Fischer > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Link if attachment is missing > >>>>>>> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com>: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything?? > >>>>>>>> (*Chris*) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart < > >>>>>>>> lukaszlen...@apache.org> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt? I think dark-blue > version > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> would be also nice. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org > >: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I have passed your comment to designer - anyway we have time and > we > >>>>>>>>>> can always start over when the first logo won't be good enough > ;-) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Łukasz > >>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gie...@gmail.com>: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmor...@part.net>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the look of steampunk and rickety old bridges, but I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong message for a project fighting the perception of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> old > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> legacy. I'd say the more modern looking the better. However, > some > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern bridges look so space age it might be hard to > tell > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small icon. Perhaps some of > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/? > >>>>>>>>>> q=modern%20bridge > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything new someday will be old anyway ;-) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather say let's focus on having cool logo and not the > message > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sends ;-) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead of wasting more time. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Its always funny with us devs. We have a crap logo for years. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody shows up and contributes a fantastic logo (compared > to > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> other one). > >>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become designers and social media > >>>>>>>>>>>> communicators. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style old logo, and that things > >>>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>>> change here. But why exactly are we in such a hurry? Going too > >>>>>>>>>>> long > >>>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>> an old logo does not mean that a new logo should replace the > old > >>>>>>>>>>> one > >>>>>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>>>> soon as it is just "better". IMHO we would want to replace it > with > >>>>>>>>>>> something that satisfies us for years. It should be cool and > >>>>>>>>>>> catchy > >>>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic compared to the other one" is IMO > >>>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time users to be surprised to find > better > >>>>>>>>>>> logo > >>>>>>>>>>> now, or do we want anyone stumbling over our site or a > >>>>>>>>>>> Zeroturnaround > >>>>>>>>>>> web frameworks survey to think "hey man, nice logo!"? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a social media designer, and for that reason I need to > >>>>>>>>>>> interact > >>>>>>>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration and suggestions to > formulate > >>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> turn > >>>>>>>>>>> which directions to go for the next iteration. Since I'm not a > >>>>>>>>>>> designer, > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with my own cool logo proposal. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Over all the years I was involved with design tasks, I've seen > >>>>>>>>>>> design > >>>>>>>>>>> emerge after some iterations in a process similar to what I > >>>>>>>>>>> outlined > >>>>>>>>>>> above. I have never ever experienced being given a first > proposal > >>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>> makes it directly to production. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy that we have such a great proposal. > >>>>>>>>>>>> And if we don't have another option (one of us devs IS a > >>>>>>>>>>>> designer AND > >>>>>>>>>>>> does some work) > >>>>>>>>>>>> we should definitely consider it. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm super happy with the work being done, and I like some of > >>>>>>>>>>> the ideas > >>>>>>>>>>> incorporated in the first proposals. I like the fact that > someone > >>>>>>>>>>> steps > >>>>>>>>>>> up and is kind enough to donate work and creativity, and I am > >>>>>>>>>>> super > >>>>>>>>>>> thankful for that - and, to be honest, it makes me bit shy to > >>>>>>>>>>> provide > >>>>>>>>>>> too much criticism, especially since it is not my profession > the > >>>>>>>>>>> actual > >>>>>>>>>>> work is all about. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I went back and forth many times the last two weeks to think > and > >>>>>>>>>>> re-think if I like the logo, how it might be seen, and what > well > >>>>>>>>>>> founded > >>>>>>>>>>> criticism I could give. In my review I tried to both > incorporate > >>>>>>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>> as a non-professional know about design, as well as what I as a > >>>>>>>>>>> "professional design recipient" (read: consumer) feel when I > see > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> logo. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Some of my thoughts: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Most common to me seems a combination of a dedicated logo icon > >>>>>>>>>>> with a > >>>>>>>>>>> clean writing for the brand, or just an elaborate writing > without > >>>>>>>>>>> logo > >>>>>>>>>>> icon. From time to time you see some font gimmickry to make a > pure > >>>>>>>>>>> writing recognizable. But I have failed so far to come up with > a > >>>>>>>>>>> example > >>>>>>>>>>> for a iconified design building a writing and a font design. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at those two sites (scroll to bottom on both) > >>>>>>>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> There a good bunch of logos, both of companies and open source > >>>>>>>>>>> projects, > >>>>>>>>>>> that look cool, clean and modern, yet timeless. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to follow newest hipster logo trends, > >>>>>>>>>>> http://gruntjs.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>> might be a source for inspiration. Nevertheless, this seems to > be > >>>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>>>> much on the timeless side... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> That said and reviewed many times during last week, I'm more in > >>>>>>>>>>> favor > >>>>>>>>>>> for the combination of an icon symbol combined with with a > clean > >>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>> modern typographic font for the brand name Struts. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Stepping back a bit when viewing the proposed designs, what > >>>>>>>>>>> strikes me > >>>>>>>>>>> most is that iconified graphic elements are used to construct a > >>>>>>>>>>> font. > >>>>>>>>>>> How does this font look like? It does not seem to follow all of > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> well > >>>>>>>>>>> established rules for font design. If you color it completely > >>>>>>>>>>> black > >>>>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>> the outline and reduce it to the font shape, it does not look > like > >>>>>>>>>>> very > >>>>>>>>>>> "clean" typography, even a bit clunky. But besides (or even > more > >>>>>>>>>>> than?) > >>>>>>>>>>> graphical details and tasteful colouring, the shape makes the > >>>>>>>>>>> first > >>>>>>>>>>> impression to a viewer. I doubt that it is a good idea to bind > the > >>>>>>>>>>> font > >>>>>>>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified graphics as building blocks, as > >>>>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>>> limits how elaborate the typographic shape itself will look > like. > >>>>>>>>>>> Designing a font is a science by itself, you can find tons of > >>>>>>>>>>> information on the web. Just for some reading giving an > >>>>>>>>>>> impression: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules- > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> for-creating-effective-typography/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to: I have tried to like it, but - > as > >>>>>>>>>>> proposed so far - I don't. This is my honest personal view. > And I > >>>>>>>>>>> also > >>>>>>>>>>> think it is a great starting point to go into design > iteration. It > >>>>>>>>>>> teases me to think, it gives the inspiration someone like me > >>>>>>>>>>> needs to > >>>>>>>>>>> imagine and maybe phrase what he thinks the final logo (or a > next > >>>>>>>>>>> step) > >>>>>>>>>>> should look like. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Earlier in this discussion, Dave came up with an interesting > >>>>>>>>>>> Google > >>>>>>>>>>> search for an isolated logo icon to maybe be combined with a > clean > >>>>>>>>>>> brand > >>>>>>>>>>> writing: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&; > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei= > >>>>>>>>> HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042# > >>>>>>>>> es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Those two for example could be excellent templates for an > >>>>>>>>>>> iconified > >>>>>>>>>>> logo > >>>>>>>>>>> graphic: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl= > >>>>>>>>> http://www. > >>>>>>>>> germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box- > >>>>>>>>> truss-f44/&docid= > >>>>>>>>> yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/ > >>>>>>>>> wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei= > >>>>>>>>> zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305& > >>>>>>>>> iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl= > >>>>>>>>> http://www. > >>>>>>>>> brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl= > >>>>>>>>> http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way. > >>>>>>>>> jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1& > >>>>>>>>> ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw= > >>>>>>>>> 160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Also a very reduced and iconified bridge could be interesting > for > >>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> logo > >>>>>>>>>>> icon. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I suck badly at crafting graphics, but if time permits I'll > give > >>>>>>>>>>> it a > >>>>>>>>>>> try to express my thoughts in some graphical draft. But > basically > >>>>>>>>>>> my > >>>>>>>>>>> overall thoughts go into a direction like the Typesafe or > >>>>>>>>>>> Hazelcast > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> logos. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> As far as I understood it, this contribution is backed by Lukasz > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> company. I am very grateful > >>>>>>>>>>>> for the huge effort they already put into this. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of discussing completely new approaches and ideas which > >>>>>>>>>>> might > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> lead to even more discussion, > >>>>>>>>>>>> we all should answer these two question: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Can you live with the proposal logo? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> just me: actually no, but it's a great start :) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the dark or the bright version? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 2) I LOVE BOTH > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz > >>>>>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de > >>>>>>>>>>>> @grobmeier > >>>>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>>>> --------- > >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> René Gielen > >>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/rgielen > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>>> --------- > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Łukasz > >>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>> --------- > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>> --------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> --------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Łukasz > >>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>> > >>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > e: davelnew...@gmail.com > > m: 908-380-8699 > > s: davelnewton_skype > > t: @dave_newton <https://twitter.com/dave_newton> > > b: Bucky Bits <http://buckybits.blogspot.com/> > > g: davelnewton <https://github.com/davelnewton> > > so: Dave Newton <http://stackoverflow.com/users/438992/dave-newton> > > -- With Regards, Andrew Carr e. andrewlanec...@gmail.com w. andrew.c...@openlogic.com h. 4235255668 c. 4239489852 a. 101 Francis Drive, Greeneville, TN, 37743
