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She started work on new webpage layout - there will be two new templates - one for landing page and one common used for other pages. 2014-03-10 17:23 GMT+01:00 i...@flyingfischer.ch <i...@flyingfischer.ch>: > I think version two, included the font used there, is nice. > > Version three works too, but is a little bit thick and heavy on the > typography side. > > Version one may work too, if you incorporate the font in the whole layout, > but hit me if I am wrong: no use to choose a nice font for web layout if the > client has not installed it locally. > > I personally prefer a more reduced and serif free font. But this really is a > matter of taste. > > Great work! Thanks! Whatever you choose or will be chosen. > > Markus > > Am 10.03.2014 11:30, schrieb Lukasz Lenart: >> >> My favourites are two and three but I think we can have few versions >> each with different colors. What about fonts? I would like to push >> this further and start working on web-side layout :-) >> >> 2014-03-07 18:09 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> I like the third from the top the best. It has the best contrast between >>> the light and dark blues. >>> (*Chris*) >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart >>> <lukaszlen...@apache.org>wrote: >>> >>>> New colors https://copy.com/mewPAFa0GuQo and designer's answer: >>>> >>>> Several blue variants to be considered. As well as several fonts. >>>> >>>> I do not agree about the font - I like it very much, it is modern - >>>> not all serifs are outdated. >>>> >>>> The font is called Aleo, you can read some here >>>> http://fontfabric.com/aleo-free-font/ >>>> >>>> 2014-03-07 15:29 GMT+01:00 Andrew Carr <andrewlanec...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> I have a tattoo already. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:46 pm, Dave Newton <davelnew...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'm willing to throw some money at >>>>>>> 99designs to get it done right. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another issue I had was the really thin whitespace lines in the logo; >>>>>> >>>>>> that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> can make some printing a bit trickier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because we all want t-shirts and tattoos, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, why not. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM, i...@flyingfischer.ch < >>>>>> >>>>>> i...@flyingfischer.ch >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Voltaire and Oswald seem to be condensed fonts, while Alegreya Sans >>>> >>>> SC >>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alef and others aren't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I always feel typography is a very difficult job and needs to be >>>> >>>> seen in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the given case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe the graphic guy could make some suggestions, choosing the >>>>>>>> appropriate kind of font for the situation? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Markus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 12:08, schrieb Matthew Panetta: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I like Roboto and Inconsolata. Also found Voltaire and Oswald. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >>>>>>>>> >>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Viga|Audiowide|Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Roboto|Nobile| >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Inconsolata|Voltaire|Oswald< >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CViga%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata%7CVoltaire%7COswald >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 6:05 pm, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org> >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe some of these >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >>>>>>>>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Flamenco|Cambo|Esteban|Audiowide| >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Prosto+One|Varela+Round|Roboto|Nobile|Inconsolata< >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CFlamenco%7CCambo%7CEsteban%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CProsto+One%7CVarela+Round%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-03-07 7:47 GMT+01:00 Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font. >>>>>>>>>>> On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "i...@flyingfischer.ch" < >>>>>> >>>>>> i...@flyingfischer.ch> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the art work of >>>> >>>> M.C. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Escher. Great work. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is always nice ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The typography however gives the whole logo a not too modern >>>> >>>> touch, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder if this will match >>>>>> >>>>>> nicely >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with the serif free home page of struts 2? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Markus Fischer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Link if attachment is missing >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (*Chris*) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lukaszlen...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt? I think dark-blue >>>>>> >>>>>> version >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be also nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart < >>>> >>>> lukaszlen...@apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have passed your comment to designer - anyway we have time >>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can always start over when the first logo won't be good >>>> >>>> enough >>>>>> >>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reagrds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gie...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz Lenart wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmor...@part.net>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the look of steampunk and rickety old bridges, but >>>> >>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong message for a project fighting the perception >>>> >>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legacy. I'd say the more modern looking the better. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, >>>>>> >>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern bridges look so space age it might be hard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>> tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small icon. Perhaps some >>>> >>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> q=modern%20bridge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything new someday will be old anyway >>>> >>>> ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather say let's focus on having cool logo and not the >>>>>> >>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead of wasting more time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its always funny with us devs. We have a crap logo for >>>> >>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody shows up and contributes a fantastic logo >>>> >>>> (compared >>>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other one). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become designers and social media >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communicators. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style old logo, and that >>>> >>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change here. But why exactly are we in such a hurry? Going >>>> >>>> too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an old logo does not mean that a new logo should replace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>> old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon as it is just "better". IMHO we would want to replace >>>> >>>> it >>>>>> >>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that satisfies us for years. It should be cool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catchy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic compared to the other one" is >>>> >>>> IMO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time users to be surprised to find >>>>>> >>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now, or do we want anyone stumbling over our site or a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zeroturnaround >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web frameworks survey to think "hey man, nice logo!"? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a social media designer, and for that reason I need >>>> >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration and suggestions to >>>>>> >>>>>> formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which directions to go for the next iteration. Since I'm >>>> >>>> not a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with my own cool logo proposal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over all the years I was involved with design tasks, I've >>>> >>>> seen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerge after some iterations in a process similar to what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outlined >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above. I have never ever experienced being given a first >>>>>> >>>>>> proposal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes it directly to production. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy that we have such a great >>>> >>>> proposal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if we don't have another option (one of us devs IS a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designer AND >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does some work) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we should definitely consider it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm super happy with the work being done, and I like some >>>> >>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ideas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incorporated in the first proposals. I like the fact that >>>>>> >>>>>> someone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up and is kind enough to donate work and creativity, and I >>>> >>>> am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> super >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thankful for that - and, to be honest, it makes me bit shy >>>> >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much criticism, especially since it is not my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profession >>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work is all about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went back and forth many times the last two weeks to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-think if I like the logo, how it might be seen, and what >>>>>> >>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> founded >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criticism I could give. In my review I tried to both >>>>>> >>>>>> incorporate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a non-professional know about design, as well as what I >>>> >>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "professional design recipient" (read: consumer) feel when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>> >>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of my thoughts: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most common to me seems a combination of a dedicated logo >>>> >>>> icon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clean writing for the brand, or just an elaborate writing >>>>>> >>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icon. From time to time you see some font gimmickry to make >>>> >>>> a >>>>>> >>>>>> pure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing recognizable. But I have failed so far to come up >>>> >>>> with >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a iconified design building a writing and a font >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at those two sites (scroll to bottom on both) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There a good bunch of logos, both of companies and open >>>> >>>> source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that look cool, clean and modern, yet timeless. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to follow newest hipster logo trends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://gruntjs.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be a source for inspiration. Nevertheless, this seems >>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much on the timeless side... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said and reviewed many times during last week, I'm >>>> >>>> more in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the combination of an icon symbol combined with with a >>>>>> >>>>>> clean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern typographic font for the brand name Struts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stepping back a bit when viewing the proposed designs, what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strikes me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most is that iconified graphic elements are used to >>>> >>>> construct a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> font. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does this font look like? It does not seem to follow >>>> >>>> all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> established rules for font design. If you color it >>>> >>>> completely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the outline and reduce it to the font shape, it does not >>>> >>>> look >>>>>> >>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "clean" typography, even a bit clunky. But besides (or even >>>>>> >>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphical details and tasteful colouring, the shape makes >>>> >>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression to a viewer. I doubt that it is a good idea to >>>> >>>> bind >>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> font >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified graphics as building >>>> >>>> blocks, as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits how elaborate the typographic shape itself will look >>>>>> >>>>>> like. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Designing a font is a science by itself, you can find tons >>>> >>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on the web. Just for some reading giving an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for-creating-effective-typography/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to: I have tried to like it, but >>>> >>>> - >>>>>> >>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed so far - I don't. This is my honest personal view. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
